Wow..... I can only hope this isn’t true

[Randolph]

I don’t think that LSN is biased against PF. They’ve also published articles supporting him

It’s true that LifeSiteNews incorrectly reported news in the past. One recent mistake came to mind was the Martin Luther stamp a few years back. For those who are quick to bash LifeSiteNews should ask themselves: what news organizations—past and present—have not incorrectly reported news that require retractions later?

Leaks or otherwise aside, who among us are really surprised that some form of opening for loosing up priestly celibacy was forthcoming from the Amazon Synod? The forthcoming publication of the book “From the Depths of Our Hearts: Priesthood, Celibacy and the Crisis of the Church” by Cardinal Sarah with the collaboration of Benedict XVI is not a co-incidence.

 

[Randolph]

Celibacy in the Catholic church should be abolished, women should also be allowed to be Priests.

The act of not allowing them to become priests - Is - the act of humans - Not God or Jesus.
I honestly believe God would want this.

Interesting… Hmmmm…

Because you “honestly believe God would want this”, therefore let’s clear everything and make it happen… Ahhh… the Gospels, sacred Tradition, church disciplines, doctrines, Magisterium, blah, blah, blahh. What do they know?

What else you believe God would want??

 

[TheLittleLady]

We had one of the very first in the US, he is now retired. Has been here for decades. He still hears confessions and does Spiritual direction.

The next was a convert in our own parish who then sent his request to Rome, went back to seminary and was ordained as priest a few years ago.

Our Diocese has a third in another part of the state, and another convert Anglican priest who will begin his petetion soon.

 

[ConcernedConvert]

Allowing priests to be married will not help vocations. The answer to the vocation crisis lies in the Traditional Rites, nobody seems to want to explore those options though.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I knew of one case where a priest left the Byzantine Rite for Orthodoxy, and was allowed to marry. Just guessing, I would assume that in the eyes of the Orthodox, he had been unjustly forced to remain celibate by the RCC, and that allowing him to marry was an act of economia .

I wonder how the women feel about that? If it was me I think I’d feel I was being persued as a potential mother and not a partner, and that would turn me off.

I think the idea dates back to a more traditional time when people had more practical and less romantic ideas about marriage. Also, the priest was educated and highly respected in the community, and might have been seen as a good catch.

My first impression was that “going out and finding a mother for one’s children” is treating a person as a kind of commodity, valued more for what they can do, what they can give, than anything else. However, if a woman would have the goodness and generosity of heart, to welcome such a situation, and to welcome being able to “be the one who makes the difference”, then I think she would be very Mary-like. Such women (and men, if the situation were reversed) are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Crocus]

“going out and finding a mother for one’s children”

It’s not unheard of that a woman could be attracted to a widowed man with children. For one thing they are able to get first hand knowledge of what kind of father he will be. I know of two such cases in my own family.

In one case, the woman was also a widow and had one child, her new husband had 3 young ones.

In the second case, a young woman in her early 20s married a widower with 3 children; together they had 2 more.

 

[jack63]

Exceptions are just a slow way of abolishing that as a requirement.

I take Pope Francis at his word that this is not his goal. He is simply allowing some exceptions. Again he said…

I would rather give my life than change the law on celibacy.

Btw…He didn’t need to make such a strong statement statement. Why not just take Pope Francis at his word?

 

[Emeraldlady]

Allowing priests to be married will not help vocations. The answer to the vocation crisis lies in the Traditional Rites, nobody seems to want to explore those options though.

The rigidity and clericalism that got the Church into the mess we see now, is not the answer. We need Priests who are obedient to the Church and unconditionally open to the movement of the Holy Spirit, the guardian of all Truth.

 

[stpurl]

Rigidity and clericalism from following what is (and has been explicitly agreed with by Pope Francis himself) the law of the Church? I think that’s reaching a bit.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

“going out and finding a mother for one’s children”

I am very pleased to hear stories such as this one.

Though the same could be said, mutatis mutandis, for men seeking a wife whose circumstances might not be the best, I have to think it is very pleasing to Almighty God for a woman to ask herself “where, and how, and married to whom, would I be able to do the most good, and exercise the most charity, in following a vocation to marriage?”.

Again, I said, a man could think along exactly the same lines. (Full disclosure: about a year before I met my wife, I was in a relationship with a woman who had a 5-year-old daughter out of wedlock. I would have considered it an honor to be her father. She later went on to attend Cambridge University in England and is now a highly regarded educator. Talk about giving me naches!+)

• naches, pronounced “nock-ess”, a Yiddish word meaning “vicarious pride in the accomplishments or virtues of another person who has some sort of connection to oneself, such as a child”

 

[Randolph]

Rigidity and clericalism from following what is (and has been explicitly agreed with by Pope Francis himself) the law of the Church? I think that’s reaching a bit.

It’s a case of throwing anything and everything, including the kitchen sink, hoping they would distract from what was already a flawed position. It is a common position to take from those who fail to make a case based on merits. The celibacy of the priesthood has its root on Christ—who was the first priest.

The crisis in the Church is a crisis of fidelity to Christ and the Magisterium. The Gospels remind us: “To seek ye first the kingdom of God and all its righteousness. And all these things shall be added unto you.”

We have heard this broken record before—accusing those who disagree with their positions as being rigid, fundamentalist, etc…We have heard this often in the past years: “The Church needs changing. We are now changing it, but really trust us we are not. Nothing to see here.”

 

[otjm]

That is a rather bold statement without any proof.

The Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest (ICKSP) is spread out over a number of countries, with 13 apostolates in the US.

The Canons Regular of St. John Cantius in Chicago note filling 3 parishes.

And the Priestly Society of St Petter (FSSP) have 39 apostolates in the US and 7 in Canada.

The US has 17,200 +/- parishes in the US. Given that the FSSP and ICKSP both have an international reach, the US is hardly likely to obtain any significant increase in staffing parishes.

Even assuming that the US would receive permission to ordain married men (certainly not something to bet on in the least), it is highly unlikely that would occur for at least 5 to 10 years after any such permission was granted.

However, any ordination which will supply a priest to a parish is a help to vocations. And for all the praying that has been done over the past few decades, the uptick in vocations at this point is not what one would call very significant. Noted, yes. Significant - perhaps only if it were not a statistical blip.

As of 2018, there were 25,254 priests in the US, of which 66% were noted as active (CARA).That works out to about 1 priest per parish.

No, opening the possibility to ordain married men is not going to “end” or “solve” the vocation crunch; but the three Traditionalist groups mentioned are providing a small part of their entire communities to the US, and as they have a multi-country apostolate, they will continue to staff elsewhere as well. Nor are they growing by leaps and bounds. Put in perspective, the FFSP noted they had 112 priests and 54 apostolates, and they were founded in 1988 by 12 priests who left the SSPX.

So no, the Traditionalist societies will not be the answer to the crunch. They can assist in a small way, definitely. CARA notes there were 518 diocesan priests ordained in 2018, which is close to or exceeds the total number of priests altogether in the two societies.

A bit of perspective helps.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

Are there any priests in the Catholic Church, Latin and otherwise, who are permitted to marry after ordination?

No, ne, nein, nyet, 番号 and non. Christ has one Spouse and that is the Church. Ephesians 5.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

Just out of curiosity, is this doctrine, or just the perennial practice of the Church?

It is the perennial practice of the Church since Apostolic times. I don’t know why the Orthodox would do that and cannot speak for them since I’m Ukrainian Greek Catholic.

 

[babochka]

I have no idea if this is true or not and LifeSiteNews is not exactly a reliable source; however, I find it interesting that LifeSiteNews is blaming Pope Francis for opening the door to married men becoming ordained priests in the Latin church. They use inflammatory language like, “abolish celibacy”, yet it goes utterly unremarked that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict approved the ordination of married priests in the Latin Rite, under some circumstances. Pope John Paul II cracked open the door. Pope Benedict opened it even wider, with the establishment of the Anglican ordinariate.

Why does Pope Francis get all the blame? Could it be that Lifesitenews has an agenda?

 

[babochka]

I knew of one case where a priest left the Byzantine Rite for Orthodoxy, and was allowed to marry. Just guessing, I would assume that in the eyes of the Orthodox, he had been unjustly forced to remain celibate by the RCC, and that allowing him to marry was an act of economia . Any Eastern Church experts here, is that a fair bet?

The inconsistency of Orthodox recognition of Catholic sacraments could have been used to his advantage here. Whatever is most convenient to or will give the desired outcome is often the path that is chosen.

 

[Randolph]

I have no idea if this is true or not and lifesitenews is not exactly a reliable source, however, I find it interesting that lifesitenews is blaming Pope Francis for opening the door to married men becoming ordained priests in the Latin church. They use inflammatory language like, “abolish celibacy”, yet it goes utterly and remarked that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict approved the ordination of married priests in the Latin Rite, under some circumstances. Pope John Paul II cracked open the door. Pope Benedict opened it even wider, with the establishment of the Anglican ordinariate. Why does Pope Francis get all the blame? Could it be that lifesitenews has an agenda?

You need to do your own research on the history of priestly celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church, and the particular situations where previously married priests were accepted as priests in the Roman Church. You would then see how Pope Francis’ proposal (if the leak is true) is fundamentally different from Pope JP2 and Pope Benedict XVI.

LifeSiteNews will be held accountable for their own reporting. We will know soon enough.

 

[babochka]

babochka:

I have no idea if this is true or not and lifesitenews is not exactly a reliable source, however, I find it interesting that lifesitenews is blaming Pope Francis for opening the door to married men becoming ordained priests in the Latin church. They use inflammatory language like, “abolish celibacy”, yet it goes utterly and remarked that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict approved the ordination of married priests in the Latin Rite, under some circumstances. Pope John Paul II cracked open the door. Pope Benedict opened it even wider, with the establishment of the Anglican ordinariate. Why does Pope Francis get all the blame? Could it be that lifesitenews has an agenda?

You need to do your own research on the history of priestly celibacy in the Roman Catholic Church, and the particular situations where previously married priests were accepted as priests in the Roman Church. You would then see how Pope Francis’ proposal (if the leak is true) is fundamentally different from Pope JP2 and Pope Benedict XVI.

LifeSiteNews will be held accountable for their own reporting. We will know soon enough.

I have done plenty of research on this subject, as it is a topic that is of particular interest to me. However, if you have specific information in mind that would dispute my point, please share it.

 

[Randolph]

Explain how “Pope John Paul II cracked open the door. Pope Benedict opened it even wider, with the establishment of the Anglican ordinariate”?

 

[annad347]

That is so rude… IMO.