WOW! JW have confused me more!

[johnpauls]

Not intending to sound repetitious to others here, Jesus fulfills Melchizedek as the perfect priest, the former a mysterious figure to begin with, Jesus fulfills the person of Abel who offers God his firstfruits of the labor of his hands…Jesus being the first fruit of creation itself, and the first fruit of Jesus to us is His Eucharist…

First fruit and Firstborn are very different words. Also, think about what you are saying. “Jesus fulfills Melchizedek as the perfect priest” … how does that make sense if Jesus is God Himself? God needs to be his own priest to Himself?

“The truth is simple to defend”

 

[KathleenGee]

Melchizedek prefigured Christ as high priest. Scriptures did not record when/where he was born or when he died. So Melchizedek came across as a transcendent, even mysterious figure…but as a symbol of a priest united in mystery with God.

He blessed David and offered him, not having a temple or bloody sacrifice, but bread and wine. Christ offered Himself – His body, blood, soul, and divinity as the perfect sacrifice for sin and atonement to the Father, we consuming under form of bread and wine, and thus made acceptable to the Father.

The Mass is the new sacrificial worship, divinely inspired, not man made. Our worship focuses totally on Christ on the altar being offered with us to the Father. We have daily Mass being said around the world, every hour of the day as atonement for our daily sins and that of the world.

The Eucharist is the first fruit of Jesus Christ as a gift to us, and igniting in us, so to speak, our divine nature dormant until baptism. We are literally nurtured on Christ Himself.

Christ is the fulfillment of the firstborn…because He is the Son of God. But as God, He has no beginning or end…this analogy bridging between His nature as True God and True Man.

 

[fbl9]

johnpauls ask yourself if you can say this, i have the power to lay my life down and the power to take it back up again? Why can’t you?

 

[johnpauls]

Melchizedek prefigured Christ as high priest. Scriptures did not record when/where he was born or when he died. So Melchizedek came across as a transcendent, even mysterious figure…but as a symbol of a priest united in mystery with God.

He blessed David and offered him, not having a temple or bloody sacrifice, but bread and wine. Christ offered Himself – His body, blood, soul, and divinity as the perfect sacrifice for sin and atonement to the Father, we consuming under form of bread and wine, and thus made acceptable to the Father.

The Mass is the new sacrificial worship, divinely inspired, not man made. Our worship focuses totally on Christ on the altar being offered with us to the Father. We have daily Mass being said around the world, every hour of the day as atonement for our daily sins and that of the world.

The Eucharist is the first fruit of Jesus Christ as a gift to us, and igniting in us, so to speak, our divine nature dormant until baptism. We are literally nurtured on Christ Himself.

Christ is the fulfillment of the firstborn…because He is the Son of God. But as God, He has no beginning or end…this analogy bridging between His nature as True God and True Man.

I am really not sure where you get your info on Melchizedek, but:

1. Melchizedek was king of Salem during a time where no covenant with Isreal existed. WE are from the line of Melchizedek since our inheritance/priesthood is no longer based upon biological lineage - Levite (kohanim).
2. He blessed Abraham, not David. David sworn an oath to God “according to the manner of Melchizedek”.
3. What is “fulfillment of the firstborn”??? That statement sounds very doctrinal, yet I cannot see any connection to the word firstborn and the points you are trying to make. The term is “firstborn of all creation”. That is a very pointed statement that referrs to the sequence of when Jesus was CREATED - not a term which requires “fulfillment” of something.

I understand why this is problematic for the trinity doctrine, as Jesus should not be able to have a begining - nor should he be created. This is not the only reference to Jesus being created. There are many references to the messiah being created.

 

[KathleenGee]

I am referring to Melchezidek in Sacred Scriptures.

He was without lineage. In contrast to the Levites, he was not confine by a certain time period to be a priest. He was a priest forever.

He was not confined by the Law. He blessed David with bread and wine.

Melchizedek is a prefigurement of the coming Messiah and Christ as High Priest.

Christ came to fulfill the Law.

As He is God, He has no beginning or end. He always is.

Christ is True Man. In His humanity, He was born of a woman in human form and died on the Cross. But His divine nature had no beginning or end.

Christ is the Son of God. Christ is the Son of Man. This is also in Scriptures.

Christ did not offer bloody sacrifice of lambs. He became the Paschal Lamb, Who offered Himself as atonement for the sins of mankind, the only pleasing sacrifice to the Father.

Christ became Eucharist for us. Whoever eats and drinks of His Body and Blood in the form of bread and wine, will have eternal life. He already defined and clarified in the Gospel of John to His followers after the feeding of the 5,000 that they would eat and drink of His body and blood. Many followers left Him.

Christ gave the context of these words to His apostles at the Last Supper. The very first fruit of Christ Himself is His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity…Jesus is the Bread of Life, the Tree of LIfe vs

that tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil that when partaken by a human distorts into pride and deciding who lives and who dies…playing gods themselves. This is part of the Scripture we focus on this First Sunday of Lent, followed by the Gospel of Christ being tempted by the devil in the desert the final temptation being offered to worship Satan instead.

The First Fruit of Christ, the sacrament of the Eucharist, is the first fruit of Jesus because it is derived from His very person.

Where the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil brought death, the first fruit of the Tree of LIfe is the Bread of Heaven, Jesus – the Bread of Life Who restores and regenerates us and brings us to a new life with Him and subsequently to the Heavenly Father.

 

[KathleenGee]

When we say that Christ is the first born of all creation, we mean that the Heavenly Father created this world through Christ, the Eternal Word Incarnate.