Wow, More Jesuits I like.... should I be afraid?

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Besides Father Pacwa and Father Fessio I have found Father Kubicki and Father Hurley from the Apostleship of Prayer. I have been listening to there talks on Ignatian Spirituality and have found them very, very compelling apostleshipofprayer.org/. I have come to the conclusion that the SJ is a very big tent with some folks I trust wholeheartedly and other who scare the bejesus out of me (the member pushing the book “Tomorrow’s Catholics” comes to mind). Should I worry about my recent appreciation for the Examen and the Discernment of Sprits?
 
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Besides Father Pacwa and Father Fessio I have found Father Kubicki and Father Hurley from the Apostleship of Prayer. I have been listening to there talks on Ignatian Spirituality and have found them very, very compelling apostleshipofprayer.org/. I have come to the conclusion that the SJ is a very big tent with some folks I trust wholeheartedly and other who scare the bejesus out of me (the member pushing the book “Tomorrow’s Catholics” comes to mind). Should I worry about my recent appreciation for the Examen and the Discernment of Sprits?
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I think you will find this very same situation in most orders and communities that have been around for quite some time. There will be “pockets” of very orthodox individuals, and others who are a bit (even quite a bit) more “loosey-goosey” with their application and understanding (teaching) of the faith. These communities are a reflection of the larger family of faith, the Catholic Church, which has become a very large “tent” as you call it.
 
Very true. I think had ‘written off’ the SJ due to what has been happening at places like Georgetown and Loyola in Chicago. The more I look at them the more the seem to be the one of the least homogenous orders out there. I guess that makes sense considering they are the largest. I showed my pastor Father Kubicki’s latest book. He said they SJ varies immensely Province by Province.
 
Forgot to add Big Feet after very true. I also failed to mention my pastor is a Polish Redemptorist. I was raised in a Redemptorist Parish.
 
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Besides Father Pacwa and Father Fessio I have found Father Kubicki and Father Hurley from the Apostleship of Prayer. I have been listening to there talks on Ignatian Spirituality and have found them very, very compelling apostleshipofprayer.org/. I have come to the conclusion that the SJ is a very big tent with some folks I trust wholeheartedly and other who scare the bejesus out of me (the member pushing the book “Tomorrow’s Catholics” comes to mind). Should I worry about my recent appreciation for the Examen and the Discernment of Sprits?
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Why should you be worried?
 
The truth is that there are thousands of wonderful and faithful Jesuits in the world today. We hear about the ones who have gone astray but no one is shouting from the rooftops about those who quietly go about their business and remain orthodox. Do I have concerns about the “problem children”? Of course I do, and I am happy that the Holy Father has taken steps to correct this. I wish the Society of Jesus itself would do a bit more to address this in a clear and transparent fashion as well. Do I think that the whole order is down the drain and that Fr. Mitch is the only good Jesuit left on the planet? No, I absolutely do not. He is simply one we get to see on a regular basis because of his public profile.

Check out the late Fr. Hardon, SJ when you get a chance.

amazon.com/Treasury-Catholic-Wisdom-John-Hardon/dp/0898705398/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1351570640&sr=1-3&keywords=john+hardon

amazon.com/The-Catholic-Catechism-Contemporary-Teachings/dp/038508045X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

therealpresence.org/archives/archives.htm

Check out the very much alive Fr. Kenneth Baker, SJ.

hprweb.com/author/fr-kenneth-baker-sj/
amazon.com/Fundamentals-Catholicism-Vol-Creed-Commandments/dp/0898700175/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2T70ZJYNJ8XOE&coliid=I15ZL36B3L7LIG
amazon.com/Fundamentals-Catholicism-Vol-Trinity-Creation/dp/0898700191/ref=pd_sim_b_1
amazon.com/Fundamentals-Catholicism-Vol-Sacraments-Eschatology/dp/0898700272/ref=pd_sim_b_2

or Fr. David Meconi, SJ

hprweb.com/author/fr-david-vincent-meconi-sj/

or, Fr. Chris Collins, SJ

hprweb.com/author/fr-chris-collins/
 
I consider myself blessed to attend the Jesuit Parish here in Sacramento. We have 4 full time priests and are attached to both an elementary school and a College Prep High School. Going to mass I am always sure to have my complacent self centered attitudes and practices thrown right up into my face!! My daughter was lucky enough to attend a Jesuit university for her undergrad studies and she was well prepared for law school when she graduated. Anyone who has read St. Ignatius’ Examination of Conscience will understand the gifts that most Jesuits bring to their parishes. 😉
 
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How about the man in my signature? 🙂
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He did have multiple problems with both Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II and came perilously close to being removed from his position. Some say that he was in fact removed while others that he fell ill and that the Holy Father took that opportunity to exert his will. In fact, the Holy Father took the extraordinary step of replacing Father Arrupe with his own hand picked man rather than allowing the second in command, so to speak of the Jesuits taking over, or allowing Father Arrupe to pick a succesor as was customary in an attempt to reign in the abuses that were happening on Father Arrupe’s watch.

That being said Father Arrupe did a great deal of good, especially in Japan at the end of WW2. He did however run the Society at a time of great turmoil which I think in great part led to many of the abuses and outright disobedience on the part of numerous Jesuits worldwide in those years. Father Arrupe’s lack of action or refusal to reign in those abuses and disobedience was his greatest failing, at least in my opinion.
 
choliks said:
How about the man in my signature? 🙂
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An extraordinary leader and spiritual pastor in difficult times. The depth of respect held for him was told by the attendance of many bishops and cardinals and the prime minster of Italy at his funeral, as well as crowds of the faithful.
 
It does seem the order, as a whole, has taken a positive turn. Their 2008 confirmation of fidelity to the Pope was encouraging.

I do wish they would fully comply with Ex Corde Ecclesiae. What they allow at their Universities in the US is often scandalous. Georgetown allowing Kathleen Sebelius to act as commencement speaker was shocking. Prominent alumni, led by William Peter Blatty, are again resorting to Canon Law to make Georgetown in their words, “Honest, Catholic, Better”. gupetition.org/

I must say that I have been very impressed with the men I have met personally and I admire the Society’s dedication to developing the intellect. It seems as if many of the men we are citing here have bucked the trend over the last few decades. Lets hope more are coming.

Yours in the Love of His Sacred Heart,
Patrick
 
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It does seem the order, as a whole, has taken a positive turn. Their 2008 confirmation of fidelity to the Pope was encouraging.

I do wish they would fully comply with Ex Corde Ecclesiae. What they allow at their Universities in the US is often scandalous. Georgetown allowing Kathleen Sebelius to act as commencement speaker was shocking. Prominent alumni, led by William Peter Blatty, are again resorting to Canon Law to make Georgetown in their words, “Honest, Catholic, Better”. gupetition.org/

I must say that I have been very impressed with the men I have met personally and I admire the Society’s dedication to developing the intellect. It seems as if many of the men we are citing here have bucked the trend over the last few decades. Lets hope more are coming.

Yours in the Love of His Sacred Heart,
Patrick
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What happens at places like Georgetown or other Jesuit schools cannot be put solely, or even primarily, at the feet of the Society of Jesus these days. If you look into the leadership of the schools which fall into the Jesuit tradition, you will find that as with many of the older Catholic universities, they are largely run by non religious in our time. Can some of the blame be laid at their feet? Of course. But much of it is also not under their control anymore.
 
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There is something to be said about coming up with a thoughts and/or a plan through being contrary and using polarization. This is common in certain personality types, and also in business. It’s not that people actually believe what they are saying, but they are presenting the issue as a devil’s advocate.

These kinds of people usually have “command” as a strength, which as a result they tend to be influential, in leadership positions, and are probably good at debating. Their statements could be taken at face value as a result, meaning that instead of thinking their statements as “have we considered this?” people think “they actually think that!”. I could easily see Jesuits having a few of these folks. As a result, some people may see what is said and flip out, when the reality is the person is saying things to help the process of coming to a conclusion.

Oh, you can add His Grace Terrance Prendergast to the list of Jesuits who are awesome.
 
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