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xdz
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I have a few friends that r part of the movement (well not rlly but yh), would you say it’s ok to support them but at the same time do not support their moral values? (The sexual part etc…)
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halogirl
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Just be their friends and don’t comment on that side of their rship.
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Thomh
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I second what Kolbe said and I would advise you to be careful. We can easily be influenced and change because of our friends and family. Try to get friends with Catholics. If you only have that kind of friends you mentioned, it will be hard to maintain a pious life. And do not engage in any inapropriate activity and avoid parties with them especially.
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angel12
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Seriously? It’s not contagious, and they’re not recruiting.
OP, your friends are your friends, and we’re all sinners.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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We’re called to reach out the hand of friendship to everybody.
But we can’t give any approval to immoral actions.
Presuming your LGBT friends aren’t making out in front of you
, you’re free to hang out and have fun.
But we can’t give any approval to immoral actions.
Presuming your LGBT friends aren’t making out in front of you
, you’re free to hang out and have fun.
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Thomh
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Yes, I’m serious.
I know how it is. In these parties, you see and hear things you don’t want to see and hear. Generally speaking, parties easily tend to be immoral with non religious people with drinking and bad behaviours.
I know how it is. In these parties, you see and hear things you don’t want to see and hear. Generally speaking, parties easily tend to be immoral with non religious people with drinking and bad behaviours.
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FOG
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The best help you can give them is to pray for them…letting “them know that they need to repent” is a bit of an assumption you many not be qualified to pursue, because there is no sin in being gay, but only committing homosexual acts…chastity is the requirement for gays and straights alike. Again, the same sex attraction is not a sin.
Bottom line is to love them, and leave judgment to the Lord!
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FOG
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Oh my…birthday parties, graduation parties, baptismal parties, confirmation parties, wedding parties…a collection of immoral and non religious people drinking and bad behaviors…LOL
You might want to rethink this.
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Thomh
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Please be serious. I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about parties in the evenings with young non religious people.
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angel12
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We’re talking about normal people here, not Jackie Collins novels.
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CilladeRoma
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I have friends who are Democrats, should I not hang out with them?
We are to love all people, not just those who are sinless on our eyes.
We are to love all people, not just those who are sinless on our eyes.
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Peeps
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I agree with you that parties are usually innocent.
But in the U.S. we’ve seen too many frat parties end in the death of one or more of the brothers and/or the rape of women (and men, too, by other men–ick! sorry), usually due to excessive drinking or use of drugs.
I’m not sure if this happens in other countries, but all too often in the U.S., young people tend to misuse alcohol, drinking to excess, sometimes killing themselves when a drinking game goes all wrong. So sad.
A recent case involved a fraternity brother who was forced to drink too much at a rush party, and he ended up dying–but the brothers didn’t realize he was dead and just left him there.
Another case involved a young man who fell down the stairs and slowly died while the brothers continued partying and ignored him.
It’s so very sad to see the parents on the news mourning the loss of their son or daughter because of fraternity excesses. It breaks your heart.
Again, not sure if this happens in other countries. And it doesn’t happen constantly in the U.S., but when it does happen, it’s awful hard.
When I was in college in the 1970s, drinking led to a couple of young men falling down an elevator shaft at one of the high rise dorms. The young man on the bottom died, and the other one survived, but was terribly injured. So it’s not something new–abusing alcohol has been happening on college campuses for a long time.
I realize that this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but you did seem to be scoffing over the idea of an innocent fraternity party leading to “bad behaviors,”, and you’re right–most of the parties just lead to really sick young men barfing out their windows. But…in the U.S., several fraternities have been suspended or banned permanently. Some of the Greek organizations have made some very “Evangelical Protestant” type rules regarding the use of alcohol to try to re-gain their houses, and some have even banned alcohol use at their parties!
But in the U.S. we’ve seen too many frat parties end in the death of one or more of the brothers and/or the rape of women (and men, too, by other men–ick! sorry), usually due to excessive drinking or use of drugs.
I’m not sure if this happens in other countries, but all too often in the U.S., young people tend to misuse alcohol, drinking to excess, sometimes killing themselves when a drinking game goes all wrong. So sad.
A recent case involved a fraternity brother who was forced to drink too much at a rush party, and he ended up dying–but the brothers didn’t realize he was dead and just left him there.
Another case involved a young man who fell down the stairs and slowly died while the brothers continued partying and ignored him.
It’s so very sad to see the parents on the news mourning the loss of their son or daughter because of fraternity excesses. It breaks your heart.
Again, not sure if this happens in other countries. And it doesn’t happen constantly in the U.S., but when it does happen, it’s awful hard.
When I was in college in the 1970s, drinking led to a couple of young men falling down an elevator shaft at one of the high rise dorms. The young man on the bottom died, and the other one survived, but was terribly injured. So it’s not something new–abusing alcohol has been happening on college campuses for a long time.
I realize that this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, but you did seem to be scoffing over the idea of an innocent fraternity party leading to “bad behaviors,”, and you’re right–most of the parties just lead to really sick young men barfing out their windows. But…in the U.S., several fraternities have been suspended or banned permanently. Some of the Greek organizations have made some very “Evangelical Protestant” type rules regarding the use of alcohol to try to re-gain their houses, and some have even banned alcohol use at their parties!
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angel12
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Seemed to me that FOG was using the word “fraternity” in the generic sense.
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FOG
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Yes…thank you angel 12…although not a religious myself, I have many dear friends who are OFM, and we gather fraternally, and “party” often…and never, ever is it some form of debauchery that some seem to tie with the word “party”, and now, “fraternity”!
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Peeps
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OK. Thanks. But in the U.S., “fraternity” generally is used in connection with Greek life/college.
My daughter has worked (with success) in the entertainment industry for almost 20 years now, and she has many gay friends, almost all of her male friends, as a matter of fact. She has seen parties go very “sexual.” She has a live-let-live attitude, and knows that God is capable of convicting people of their sin and calling them to repentance. But she does tend to avoid parties because they can be disturbing to people who love the sinners but hate the sin. She prefers socializing with just a few friends in a nice restaurant or bar, not the “clubs.”
My daughter has worked (with success) in the entertainment industry for almost 20 years now, and she has many gay friends, almost all of her male friends, as a matter of fact. She has seen parties go very “sexual.” She has a live-let-live attitude, and knows that God is capable of convicting people of their sin and calling them to repentance. But she does tend to avoid parties because they can be disturbing to people who love the sinners but hate the sin. She prefers socializing with just a few friends in a nice restaurant or bar, not the “clubs.”
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fide
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Like the word “love”, the word “friend” is often used loosely, superficially. It can mean merely “acquaintance” - or “companion” (those with whom we “eat bread”) - or even less than that. But the word “friend” in truth, in its deepest meaning, is a holy word that carries profound significance. Jesus points to the deepest meaning here:
“Hanging with” people for reasons of gaining self-satisfaction is destined to lose its luster, as time teaches more and more deeply. True friendship is a treasure, and it is true if based on Truth. And Jesus IS truth.
It is crucial - essential - to become “friends” with Jesus first! To become one whose life is defined by obedience to Him - whose life is defined by His life!
“Hanging with” people for reasons of gaining self-satisfaction is destined to lose its luster, as time teaches more and more deeply. True friendship is a treasure, and it is true if based on Truth. And Jesus IS truth.
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angel12
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That is not the teaching of the Church.
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evevanna
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As myself, LGBT is not something that we can encourage, however we have to support them emotionally and pray for them. And we still hav to accept them as who they are.
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CilladeRoma
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This statement is incorrect.
Being attracted to the same sex is not now, nor has it ever been a sin.
It is a sin to have sexual relations outside the confines of marriage, which the Church proscribes as between a man and a woman.
You would do yourself a whole world of good if you actually learn what the Church teaches instead of spouting hateful rhetoric.
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Gertabelle
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I lived as a lesbian for about ten years. The thing that made me bristle more than anything else was seeing faithful people living out their lives in obedience to the Church. If anyone spoke to me about repentance or sin, I would just roll my eyes and walk away.
But a life of innocence, of joyful self-sacrifice and of actions of loving kindness – ouch. It convicted me in a way that nothing else could.
If those faithful witnesses had avoided me or refused to befriend me because of my actions in those days, my conversion would have been that much farther off.
Just my two cents.
But a life of innocence, of joyful self-sacrifice and of actions of loving kindness – ouch. It convicted me in a way that nothing else could.
If those faithful witnesses had avoided me or refused to befriend me because of my actions in those days, my conversion would have been that much farther off.
Just my two cents.
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