Wrong to Support LGBT?

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For some of the “progressives,” judging the actions as sinful is equivalent to judging the individual. When it comes to homosexual intercourse, some “progressives” see nothing wrong with it at all.
I use quotes around “progressives” because it’s not progress at at all to erode traditional, God-given Catholic moral theology. True progress is striving toward personal holiness, including in relationships, and homosexual relationships are absolutely unholy.
 
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prayerrider said:
When it comes to homosexual intercourse, some “progressives” see nothing wrong with it at all.
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This may well be, but I will tell you something else about most progressives. Most don’t spend a lot or a little bit of time thinking about the ways other people have intercourse. Or if they have intercourse. They do what the Catholic Church teaches, actually (even if they aren’t Catholic), which is to not identify someone by the kind of intercourse they have. It is but a very small facet of the whole person.
 
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homosexual relationships are absolutely unholy.
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Not even the Church uses this language.
Every loving relationship, even the ones that are not rightly ordered as per natural law, has some value. They are not “unholy”.

And people can’t understand why people who identify as LGBTQ think the Church hates them.
 
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The only romantic / sexual relationship that can be holy is the heterosexual relationship. I don’t know what part of this fundamental Catholic teaching some people don’t get. Perhaps they simply reject it, which is of course dissent with Church teaching, with Scripture, and with Christ’s own actions and teachings.
 
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I did not say they were holy. I said they are not “unholy”.
I agree with all the Church teaches.
And ultimately that is love and mercy.
That is what will win people over to Christ and his church. Not brow-beating and condemnation.
 
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This is my observation. I’m not asking anyone to agree with me.

Believe me, LGBT people hear the drumbeat of disapproval. They know every last thing people say about them. I don’t know why they would want to be around people who see nothing but their sinfulness. Unfortunately, this is why some LGBT people break off ties with their families, friends, and faith.

I’m not proposing a solution. I throwing this out for others’ opinions.
 
Yes. I’m sure the devil is thrilled so far with his success in convincing some that embracing secular values that directly contradict Catholic moral theology is “progress.”

As important as love and mercy are, they are not the sum total of Catholic moral theology. They are, however, often weaponized against anyone who opposes changing Catholic teachings on homosexuality. A certain celebrity Catholic author uses that shout down tactic often.

I appreciate your reasoned responses and calm disposition here, (name removed by moderator). I’ve learned myself it’s best not to respond to flaming. Just flag it and let the moderators sort it out.
 
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There was a user a while back who asserted to me that Christ would not only attend, but officiate to marry the same sex couple. Of course that’s blasphemy. I don’t remember if that user professed to be Catholic or not.
 
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What I’ve said is a psycho/social observation about human behavior.

Let me rephrase what I said earlier. I know don’t why LGBT people would want to be around people who disapprove of their relationships and sexual activity.

I’ve walked away from “friends” who despise and ridicule my faith or my opposition to abortion. I don’t need friends like that. I know that’s not the same thing. But I’m making an analogy. We choose to be around people like ourselves.

Some LGBT people think their relationships are wholesome. No matter how sinful we may regard their sexual behavior and their candor about their relationships, they’ve made a choice. They aren’t going to listen to disapproval.
 
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I probably work with more homosexual and gender confused youth on a weekly basis than most other users on CAF. I treat them the same as any other student, with respect for their human dignity. I don’t hide my Catholic faith, either–I’m usually wearing something “Catholic.” The subject of Church teachings on homosexuality has never come up, nor would I engage in such a discussion in a public school setting. I pray that if they are engaging in homosexual activity they stop. I pray that if they are gender confused they get well. Sometimes the gender confused are anxious to edit how their name reads on the attendance sheet, before I take roll. I allow them to do so, without comment.
None of this is the same as attending a social event celebrating a homosexual relationship. Nor am I affirming “transgender,” which I firmly believe is mental and spiritual confusion.
The cardinal virtue of justice demands I treat these kids the same. The cardinal virtue of prudence demands I avoid any action that suggests condoning homosexual relationships or affirming “transgender.” The cardinal virtue of fortitude demands I speak the truth of Catholic teachings on homosexuality and human gender.
 
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Tell me something. If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay are you telling us you would cut them out of your life, disown and shun them??
 
I knew that analogy wouldn’t work. Let’s toss it in the trash can. 😉

I hear you. I understand. I’m just playing armchair social scientist. Feel free to disregard that as well. 😉

It’s a legitimate choice to avoid any ceremony that violates one’s beliefs.

I now officially bow out as the faux social scientist and wish you many blessings from God. 🙏
 
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Yes you are supposed to refuse! Such ceremonies must have far different meaning for a devout Catholic than for a worldly secularist. Human friendships are ephemeral. Christ is forever.
 
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Human friendships are ephemeral. Christ is forever.
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While I agree that we cannot truly honor friends or friendship by any way sinning against God or taking anything away from God, friendship is highly spoken of even by the Lord Himself. Friendship can be almost a preparation for Christ as it is one of the most free, perfect and pure human forms of love. I think it helps to recognize that such relationships in some way manifest the Blessed Trinity, and He is their source, cause and end; and so we risk destroying the goodness in the friendship or relationship if it means in any way dishonoring God or sinning: this way it is out of love for the friend and the friendship (and of course God) that we may not participate in something.
 
In fact we can stop right there. When it comes to moral theology there is only holy or unholy, sacred or profane. There is no ‘not holy but yet not unholy;’ most certainly not in the case of human sexual attractions and desires and relationships founded upon same.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
" Article 4
THE MORALITY OF HUMAN ACTS
1749 Freedom makes man a moral subject. When he acts deliberately, man is, so to speak, the father of his acts. Human acts, that is, acts that are freely chosen in consequence of a judgment of conscience, can be morally evaluated. They are either good or evil."
(italics mine)
 
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This is directed to (name removed by moderator) who has not answered this question I put which I will repeat here.

Tell me something. If you had a brother or sister or son or daughter who was gay are you telling us you would cut them out of your life, disown and shun them??
 
I feel your stress. I have a online final for a Harvard course. Week 13, but seems like it’s gone on forever. Good luck!
 
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I understand you attitude, and I respect your boldness. I am diplomatic and always try to spare peoples’ feelings.

But I don’t back down when my core beliefs are insulted. I have had people ridicule my faith in God. And I never back down on abortion.

I get sick of hearing that a woman has the right to do whatever she wishes with her body. I try to point out that abortion isn’t “freedom” for a woman. Rather, women are often pressured to have abortions. Societal pressures have violated a woman’s body, dignity, and the miracle of life.

This “choice” causes deep emotional and spiritual wounds to the woman. And everyone who pressures or encourages a woman to have an abortion is equally culpable.

I support women’s rights. Opposing abortion is a matter of social justice. When I assert that abortion is the greatest violation of a woman’s rights, former friends think I’m a fanatic. That’s why I walked way from them.

I hope I’m not babbling too much. God bless you.
 
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