Wrongly Dividing the Body of Christ

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The Body of Christ was divided because of an understanding of the nature of Christ. The body of Christ was divided over an understanding of The Trinity. The body of Christ was divided because of revolt against authority of the Body of Christ itself in the 1600’s., leading to division after division and no authority other than a belief that the authority is the Bible alone. This division causes a defect in unity concerning

A profession of Faith, that is incomplete
Living the Sacramental Life, not acknowledging Sacraments
Life in Christ, becoming Holy as our God is Holy
Prayer

Bible alone Christians are being further divided by attacks on the Life of Christ and what it means to be Holy. Morality has become a word without meaning. Using the authority as the Bible alone division ensues. This is based on the heresy of Essentialism/Social Constructionist, that Homosexuals themselves cannot agree on, that denies Adam and Eve leading to the denial of the holiness of Christ.

Is this a bad thing that we look at and say…oh what these evil doers have done, will they never cease or do we say….God calls all and we stand firm in the OHCAC and say…

The Oriental Orthodox claim, as per the Coptic Patriarch…
I believe that homosexuality is against the Mysteries of the Church. What can we say about the renewal of life, the transfigured life in Christianity if such defilement exists within the Church? What rights are there for homosexuals? The only right is to be led to repentance. To live in such defilement of the body, in such dishonor, in such abomination, while all the time asking for liberties the Church cannot grant, is unbelievable.
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The Eastern Orthodox state as follows…
The Orthodox Church believes that homosexuality should be treated by society as an immoral and dangerous perversion and by religion as a sinful failure.
In full confidentiality, the Orthodox Church cares and provides pastorally for homosexuals in the belief that no sinner who has failed himself and God should be allowed to deteriorate morally and spiritually.
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Psychiatric restoration, without religious direction and reconciliation with God, is bound to prove short lived.
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And the Roman Catholic stands firm as stated in the Universal Catechism…
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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Accepting Homosexuality as normal and the subsequent acceptance of same sex marriage leads to a Christian organization no less than faux Christian…that has

No Profession of Faith that is Apostolic
No Sacramental Life and access to the graces therein
No life in Christ, modeling Christ, as immorality is accepted
Only a Life of Prayer and repentance is possible…

The Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Latin/East stand firm in opposition to this divide….while children of the reformation look to unite against essentialism/Social Constructionist…is it possible they may look to the unity of the OHCAC as a possible resolve?

While Squabbling over Authority, the authority is being harnessed by those that wish to destroy that same authority…to propagate the lies of the American Psychiatric Association as confirmed and believed fact incorporating those same lies into the faux Christian Communities….

I see that Heresy precedes Homosexuality leading to Gay Bishops, Gay Clergy, Gay affirmative communities called Christian that Ordain, validate Same Sex marriage causing many to leave, schism, or to unite with others that do not agree. This leaves Gay/Homosexual faux-Christian communities of which there are several wrongly dividing the body of Christ.

We are asked to Subjugate Morality, Divine Law, and Natural Law to immorality to wrongly divide the Body of Christ…

Is it possible that the authority that was once denied may be the source of consistency as Protestant communities are divided, taken over, and thus emerge Protestant/Homosexual approving communities?

What of those that are in these communities with Homosexual pastors, Homosexual driven agendas that Baptize children in the Trinity and those that are Baptized to do?..they remain our brothers and sisters…

How can we aid this division…?
 
Briefly, from the LCMS
What does God say about homosexuality in His Word,
the Bible?
The Lord teaches us through His Word that homosexuality
is a sinful distortion of His desire that one man and one
woman live together in marriage as husband and wife.God
categorically prohibits homosexuality. Our church, The
Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod,has declared that homosexual
behavior is “intrinsically sinful.
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Jon
 
CopticChristian said:
The Body of Christ was divided because of an understanding of the nature of Christ. The body of Christ was divided over an understanding of The Trinity. The body of Christ was divided because of revolt against authority of the Body of Christ itself in the 1600’s., leading to division after division and no authority other than a belief that the authority is the Bible alone. This division causes a defect in unity concerning

A profession of Faith, that is incomplete
Living the Sacramental Life, not acknowledging Sacraments
Life in Christ, becoming Holy as our God is Holy
Prayer

Bible alone Christians are being further divided by attacks on the Life of Christ and what it means to be Holy. Morality has become a word without meaning. Using the authority as the Bible alone division ensues. This is based on the heresy of Essentialism/Social Constructionist, that Homosexuals themselves cannot agree on, that denies Adam and Eve leading to the denial of the holiness of Christ.

Is this a bad thing that we look at and say…oh what these evil doers have done, will they never cease or do we say….God calls all and we stand firm in the OHCAC and say…

The Oriental Orthodox claim, as per the Coptic Patriarch…

The Eastern Orthodox state as follows…

And the Roman Catholic stands firm as stated in the Universal Catechism…

Accepting Homosexuality as normal and the subsequent acceptance of same sex marriage leads to a Christian organization no less than faux Christian…that has

No Profession of Faith that is Apostolic
No Sacramental Life and access to the graces therein
No life in Christ, modeling Christ, as immorality is accepted
Only a Life of Prayer and repentance is possible…

The Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Latin/East stand firm in opposition to this divide….while children of the reformation look to unite against essentialism/Social Constructionist…is it possible they may look to the unity of the OHCAC as a possible resolve?

While Squabbling over Authority, the authority is being harnessed by those that wish to destroy that same authority…to propagate the lies of the American Psychiatric Association as confirmed and believed fact incorporating those same lies into the faux Christian Communities….

I see that Heresy precedes Homosexuality leading to Gay Bishops, Gay Clergy, Gay affirmative communities called Christian that Ordain, validate Same Sex marriage causing many to leave, schism, or to unite with others that do not agree. This leaves Gay/Homosexual faux-Christian communities of which there are several wrongly dividing the body of Christ.

We are asked to Subjugate Morality, Divine Law, and Natural Law to immorality to wrongly divide the Body of Christ…

Is it possible that the authority that was once denied may be the source of consistency as Protestant communities are divided, taken over, and thus emerge Protestant/Homosexual approving communities?

What of those that are in these communities with Homosexual pastors, Homosexual driven agendas that Baptize children in the Trinity and those that are Baptized to do?..they remain our brothers and sisters…

How can we aid this division…?
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JonNC said:
Briefly, from the LCMS

Jon
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Jon,

We agree. Sadly, many of the Lutheran communities have agreed to marry same sex couples. Many of them are Lutheran.

Allows as members/Ordains/Blesses Unions/Marries
Church of Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Metropolitan Community Church
Church of Norway
Church of Sweden
Unity School of Christianity
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**Church of Denmark **
The Church of Denmark has Gay clergy, blesses same sex unions and In 2000, the ecumenical department of the Church criticized the Roman Catholic declaration Dominus Iesus and said that it had a destructive effect on ecumenical relations if one church deprives another church of the right to be called a Church and that it is just as destructive as if one Christian denies another Christian the right to be called a Christian.
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Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
In July 2011, the National Convention of the ELCIC adopted a new social statement on human sexuality and approved a motion allowing pastors whose conscience permits, in consultation with their congregations, to preside at marriages for same-gender couples.
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Church of Sweden
The Lutheran denomination said that it would begin marrying same-sex couples on 1 November 2009. Some anti-gay elements within the Church are horrified, but Sweden’s Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights said the move was “a big step in the right direction”.
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Still, there have been dissenting voices on the doctrinal commission.
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These communities will have congregations that have baptized members, some may have families with children that are baptized. If baptized in the trinitarian formula they are truly Christian…however they will have

Defects in Profession of Faith
Defects in Sacramental Life
Defects in Modeling Christ, accepting what is immoral and unnatural as normal and Christian
They can still pray and repent…🙂
 
Oh dear.

I wonder what the attendance level in these pro-gay churches? How do they tell their kids about the birds and the bees? What do they teach in the Sunday schools?

Something horribly wrong, sad and pathetic and shameful about all this. 😦

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Oh dear.

I wonder what the attendance level in these pro-gay churches? How do they tell their kids about the birds and the bees? What do they teach in the Sunday schools?

Something horribly wrong, sad and pathetic and shameful about all this. 😦

MJ
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MJ,

They learn that Homosexuality is normal, not a sin, and as for the birds and bees…they fly and make honey…

mccchurch.org/
Not a Sin, Not a Sickness
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For many centuries, the Christian Church’s attitude toward human sexuality was very negative:sex was for procreation, not for pleasure; women and slaves were considered property to be owned by males; and many expressions of heterosexuality, like homosexuality, were considered sinful. Such tradition often continues to influence churches today.
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Many churches teach that women should be subordinate to men, continue to permit forms of discrimination against peoples of color, and condemn homosexuals. They say that all homosexual acts are sinful, often referring
to their interpretation of scripture.
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Other churches today are influenced by a century of psychoanalytic thought promoted through a powerful minority in the field of medicine. They see homosexuality as some kind of sickness. Although this view has now been soundly discredited by the medical profession, some churches and clergy continue to be influenced by the idea. They say that homosexuals are “imperfect” andin need of “healing.”
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So they deny…

Profession of Faith in favor of acceptance of the Secular lie that Homosexuality is normal

they cannot live a Sacramental Life
they cannot model Christ and be moral

They are left with prayer and learning repentance…

Praise the American Psychiatric Association and their false teachings…
 
CopticChristian said:
MJ,

They learn that Homosexuality is normal, not a sin,

mccchurch.org/
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Certainly not going to read it. I would prefer not to infiltrate my mind with murky reasoning which is what I would expect from the link.
CopticChristian said:
and as for the birds and bees…they fly and make honey…
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You know what I meant. I would prefer the explanation from wiki - bees carry and deposit pollen into flowers, a visible and easy-to-explain example of male fertilisation. Another example, birds lay eggs, a similarly visible and easy-to-explain example of female ovulation.

With gay couples…you have to go the the “inhuman” labs perhaps:shrug:
CopticChristian said:
So they deny…

Profession of Faith in favor of acceptance of the Secular lie that Homosexuality is normal

they cannot live a Sacramental Life
they cannot model Christ and be moral

They are left with prayer and learning repentance…
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Agreed.
CopticChristian said:
Praise the American Psychiatric Association and their false teachings…
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So the APA convinced the Europeans countries I suppose.:rolleyes:

Is the APA a Christian organisation? :confused:

MJ
 
CopticChristian said:
Jon,

We agree. Sadly, many of the Lutheran communities have agreed to marry same sex couples. Many of them are Lutheran.

Allows as members/Ordains/Blesses Unions/Marries

**Church of Denmark **

Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada

Church of Sweden

These communities will have congregations that have baptized members, some may have families with children that are baptized. If baptized in the trinitarian formula they are truly Christian…however they will have

Defects in Profession of Faith
Defects in Sacramental Life
Defects in Modeling Christ, accepting what is immoral and unnatural as normal and Christian
They can still pray and repent…🙂
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And, sadly, the ELCA now ordains actively practicing gays.

Jon
 
aidanbradypop said:
WB Coptic! 🙂

The Episcopal Church of the USA ordains and will marry same sex couples. A local Episcopal parish here ststephensfargo.org/glbt-inclusion/ even marches in the gay pride parades.
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Pop,

and the result is a divide…

boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2006/11/12/us_episcopalians_seek_spiritual_shelter_in_africa/
US Episcopalians seek spiritual shelter in Africa
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Congregations oppose church’s liberal positions
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KAMPALA, Uganda – Angry over their US church’s position on homosexuality, a growing number of Episcopal congregations are seeking spiritual shelter thousands of miles away, in the Anglican churches of Africa.
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This leaves those that agree with the gay agenda leading congregations that agree with the gay agenda and baptisms continue and some that are baptized remain…wrongly dividing the body of Christ.
 
JonNC said:
And, sadly, the ELCA now ordains actively practicing gays.

Jon
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Jon,

and in discussion in the past, many Protestants look to the Waldensian as early Protestants…and with the Bible alone are going down this same path…

Waldensian

pcusa.org/news/2010/9/7/italian-protestants-approve-same-sex-blessings/
“The issue is not that of welcoming homosexuals in our churches … The issue is the blessing of the union of persons who want to witness in front of God and in front of their community of faith their engagement in a journey of life together,” she said. “We must understand what ‘blessing’ means in the Bible and in the Church,” Bonafede said. “Obviously, it doesn’t mean marriage, which for us as Protestants is not a sacrament, but a civil matter.”
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JonNC said:
I’m not arguing in their favor. Maybe a PCUSA member will comment. Or maybe a PCA member.

Jon
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Jon,

never said you did…Presbyterians are being split as well…

goupstate.com/article/20130307/articles/303071029
Westminster Presbyterian Church seeks to switch denominations
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A Presbyterian church in Spartanburg is trying to cut ties with its denomination, the Presbyterian Church (USA). Dr. Peter Hobbie, professor of church history and doctrine at Presbyterian College in Clinton, said the denomination these churches are flocking to, the ECO, formed shortly after the 2011 vote by the Presbyterian (USA) denomination to allow the ordination of gays and lesbians.
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JonNC said:
And, sadly, the ELCA now ordains actively practicing gays.

Jon
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Episcopals do also I believe. My aunt just left the Episcopal Church and joined the Anglo Catholic Church because of such. Her Episcopal priest was in a openly gay relationship. 🤷
 
aidanbradypop said:
Episcopals do also I believe. My aunt just left the Episcopal Church and joined the Anglo Catholic Church because of such. Her Episcopal priest was in a openly gay relationship. 🤷
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Agreed. The ELCA has been about 1 step behind TEC for years, but following in their footsteps.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Agreed. The ELCA has been about 1 step behind TEC for years, but following in their footsteps.

Jon
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Jon,

Here is a step by step anaylsis of what Homosexuals have done to take over a church…

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1024260/posts
When Homosexuals Take Over A ChurchUCM (?United Concerned/Confessing Methodists - page doesn’t define acronym) News ^ |
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November 2003 | Bill Fishburne
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Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:42:29 AM by ahadams2
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**When Homosexuals Take Over A Church **
by Bill Fishburne WTZY Radio co-host
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JonNC said:
Agreed. The ELCA has been about 1 step behind TEC for years, but following in their footsteps.

Jon
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Jon,

Here is an analysis to stop gays from taking over a Church…

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1663410/posts
How to stop homosexual activism in the Episcopal church
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VirtueOnline-News ^ | 7/10/2006 | David R. Usher
Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 5:56:53 PM by sionnsar
Two years after Goodridge legalized “same-sex” marriage in Massachusetts, courts across America have consistently been ruling in favor of heterosexual marriage. It is truly astonishing that courts would be more moral than the American Episcopal and Congregational Churches.
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There are two reasons why this is happening. First: churches have been invaded by experienced feminist gay and lesbian activists, who twenty years ago realized that it was necessary to take over churches to melt moral yardsticks down to the level of feminism.
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I believe you cannot group everyone into one. I know a wonderful gay priest who is very faithful and serves God just like the straight priest. 😉

Yes, you will have certain people with certain agendas but cannot that also be true with heterosexual people as well?
 
aidanbradypop said:
I believe you cannot group everyone into one. I know a wonderful gay priest who is very faithful and serves God just like the straight priest. 😉

Yes, you will have certain people with certain agendas but cannot that also be true with heterosexual people as well?
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Pop,

Recall in the OP I stated that in the Protestant world…
Bible alone Christians are being further divided by attacks on the Life of Christ and what it means to be Holy. Morality has become a word without meaning. Using the authority as the Bible alone division ensues. This is based on the heresy of Essentialism/Social Constructionist, that Homosexuals themselves cannot agree on, that denies Adam and Eve leading to the denial of the holiness of Christ.
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your sentiment though accurate does not relate to the division in the Protestant world…
 
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