X-Files & Catholicism

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Thanks, when we see things going in a bad direction we pause and get the kiddos out. Swear words dont bother me too much except the f-bomb or excessive use of them but sexual content and blantent anti catholic things do.
 
Thanks, when we see things going in a bad direction we pause and get the kiddos out. Swear words dont bother me too much except the f-bomb or excessive use of them but sexual content and blantent anti catholic things do.
I would skip the 2008 movie then if you want to avoid the anti-Catholic stuff. :o
And hopefully you will see how Catholicism is used throughout the show in the posts herein that go through episodes in question. I think the TV show (at least midway thru season 7 so far) has been much more positive toward Catholicism on the whole than negative, particularly with Scully in the confessional twice now and even saying a Rosary! There are screenshots in earlier posts for those. 🙂
 
But throughout Mulder, the hero of the show, openly watches porno movies and makes fun of Transubstantiation 😛
I would skip the 2008 movie then if you want to avoid the anti-Catholic stuff. :o
And hopefully you will see how Catholicism is used throughout the show in the posts herein that go through episodes in question. I think the TV show (at least midway thru season 7 so far) has been much more positive toward Catholicism on the whole than negative, particularly with Scully in the confessional twice now and even saying a Rosary! There are screenshots in earlier posts for those. 🙂
 
My all-time favorite episode, and I think I only saw it when it originally aired, was the “Cops” episode.

When X-files was on the air on Sunday nights, Cops always came on immediately before. The start of this particular episode looks just like Cops.

I was so bummed when it came on that I almost turned it off. I didn’t think X-files was coming on that week, and they were putting Cops in its place. When things started getting weird I was totally freaked out before realizing it really was X-files 🙂
 
You know what’s weird? My wife and I HATE that episode the most of them all? It’s usually about the only episode we SKIP when we watch all the DVD’s and have a marathon! LOL That’s a splendid “to each his own” example, isn’t it! 😛
My all-time favorite episode, and I think I only saw it when it originally aired, was the “Cops” episode.

When X-files was on the air on Sunday nights, Cops always came on immediately before. The start of this particular episode looks just like Cops.

I was so bummed when it came on that I almost turned it off. I didn’t think X-files was coming on that week, and they were putting Cops in its place. When things started getting weird I was totally freaked out before realizing it really was X-files 🙂
 
I think one reason I was so hooked on that episode is that I believed it was really an episode of Cops. It looked real for the whole first segment, right up until the police officer on the show started freaking out and running, then they broke and played the X-Files intro.

Here’s a short clip from the first segment of the show:

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My all-time favorite episode, and I think I only saw it when it originally aired, was the “Cops” episode.

When X-files was on the air on Sunday nights, Cops always came on immediately before. The start of this particular episode looks just like Cops.

I was so bummed when it came on that I almost turned it off. I didn’t think X-files was coming on that week, and they were putting Cops in its place. When things started getting weird I was totally freaked out before realizing it really was X-files 🙂
I’ll tell you what else is weird, that is the last episode I watched! As I said, I’m watching them all in order and I’m in season 7 and that’s the most recent one I watched. The episode is ok to me, certainly different. I can see how a Cops fan would love it. Scully is very funny when she first sees they are on film and you have to watch close her movements to get the full joke. 🙂
 
I have not read all of the posts, but I am amazed and I have to say surprised that so many Catholics enjoyed X-Files.

I too was a big fan, and Catholic at the time, although not practising. I must say I don’t particularly remember there being so many Catholic ‘moments’ in it (which is very cool.:))

So my question to you all…is it really ok to watch the X-Files, being that the whole show is centered around E.T’s. I am not wanting to offend anyone, so please don’t take this the wrong way…it’s just that a Christian friend of mine would think this is ‘not on’. She even told me that I should not have ‘Angel’ ornaments around my house as they take away the main focus of God. She is more of a Pentacostal though, and Catholics do speak of Angels more than other denominations I think…

I have always believed the possibility of Aliens, Ghosts etc, I have always been very open minded to all of this…so if it really is ok, that is so very good, and then I don’t know what is holding me back from being a true Catholic now.:o
 
I have not read all of the posts, but I am amazed and I have to say surprised that so many Catholics enjoyed X-Files.

I too was a big fan, and Catholic at the time, although not practising. I must say I don’t particularly remember there being so many Catholic ‘moments’ in it (which is very cool.:))

So my question to you all…is it really ok to watch the X-Files, being that the whole show is centered around E.T’s. I am not wanting to offend anyone, so please don’t take this the wrong way…it’s just that a Christian friend of mine would think this is ‘not on’. She even told me that I should not have ‘Angel’ ornaments around my house as they take away the main focus of God. She is more of a Pentacostal though, and Catholics do speak of Angels more than other denominations I think…

I have always believed the possibility of Aliens, Ghosts etc, I have always been very open minded to all of this…so if it really is ok, that is so very good, and then I don’t know what is holding me back from being a true Catholic now.:o
Unless watching the TV show is hampering your faith, I don’t see a problem with it. I’ve grown a lot in my face since watching the show and do not see it having any negative effect. If you are well-grounded in the faith, you will recognize times in the show where they might not present the theology correctly. On the other hand, they present it quite well sometimes too, as I’ve documented in this thread. :o The Church has no position denying the existence of ghosts. Even Jesus says there are “spirits” (Lk 24:39). And a “ghost” could be a demon, or an angel, or perhaps even a soul in Purgatory, it’s hard to say. Regarding aliens, I would not see how believing that there could possibly be life forms somewhere else in the universe destroys your faith unless it would cause you to deny the origin of man or doubt the truth of the faith. Check out the Vatican Observatory website sometime. While the Church does not say it’s “looking for aliens” there is study of the celestial world taking place there.

As to angels, I don’t know why your friend would think angels “take away” from Christ when the Bible is chock full of their examples and they are even called “ministering spirits” and in charge of “guarding” us. They are present in Scripture at almost every key moment in salvation history (announcement of birth of John the Baptist, Annunciation, Mary/Joseph flight into desert, Agony in the Garden, Resurrection, Peter’s escape from jail, etc…) If we ignore God’s gift of giving us these helpful beings, then what does that say about our real focus? I just did a talk on angels recently, by the way. :o
 
Unless watching the TV show is hampering your faith, I don’t see a problem with it. I’ve grown a lot in my face since watching the show and do not see it having any negative effect. If you are well-grounded in the faith, you will recognize times in the show where they might not present the theology correctly. On the other hand, they present it quite well sometimes too, as I’ve documented in this thread. :o The Church has no position denying the existence of ghosts. Even Jesus says there are “spirits” (Lk 24:39). And a “ghost” could be a demon, or an angel, or perhaps even a soul in Purgatory, it’s hard to say. Regarding aliens, I would not see how believing that there could possibly be life forms somewhere else in the universe destroys your faith unless it would cause you to deny the origin of man or doubt the truth of the faith. Check out the Vatican Observatory website sometime. While the Church does not say it’s “looking for aliens” there is study of the celestial world taking place there.

As to angels, I don’t know why your friend would think angels “take away” from Christ when the Bible is chock full of their examples and they are even called “ministering spirits” and in charge of “guarding” us. They are present in Scripture at almost every key moment in salvation history (announcement of birth of John the Baptist, Annunciation, Mary/Joseph flight into desert, Agony in the Garden, Resurrection, Peter’s escape from jail, etc…) If we ignore God’s gift of giving us these helpful beings, then what does that say about our real focus? I just did a talk on angels recently, by the way. :o
Wow! Thank you so much MarcoPolo :)🙂
You have pointed out excellent things. I really wanted to know if it was ok to believe in these ‘beings’ (aliens, ghosts etc). Over the years I have ‘strayed’ from the church, and because I began investigating these things, I felt that I could not be a Catholic anymore, and wondered why the church did not mention these things to us. I feel very relieved knowing this is ok and certainly acceptable to believe in other things, as to me, this means that Catholics are quite open-minded, and this is great.

I too do not understand why my friend said those things about my Angel ornaments in my home. She is a Christian, so that confused me, but thanks for confirming what I thought deep down anyway.

I will take a look at the site you recommended, thank you again.
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Closure - Scully and Mulder willingly participate in a seance.

X-Cops - Woman has a painting of the Last Supper and crucifix in her home.

Theef - Scully admits that, as a doctor, she would have done the same thing as a doctor in the episode who euthanized a patient in agony who would have died anyway in 20 minutes. Although she admits the decision isn’t clear cut.

En Ami - A boy’s parents who do not believe in using doctors put a crucifix by his bed, leaving his cancer to “God.” Reviews of the episode say they were Christian Scientists, however.

**All Things **- Scully consults a holistic woman for consultation. Then she goes to a temple and has an experience in front of a Buddha statue while on her knees. She then calls in a holistic healer to help a man in the hospital in violation of her jurisdiction as a doctor. Later she’s standing outside the hospital in thought as two nuns clearly walk by in the background and the camera circles Scully for a moment to keep the nuns in frame. They appear in another shot a minute later. Later we find out Mulder’s surprise when Scully tells him that she spoke to God in a Buddhist temple (which is interesting in itself since in my studies, Buddhism does not believe in “God” the way Scully as a Catholic would). Mulder finds it amusing and Scully can’t believe it much herself. The episode ends by showing a little Buddha statue Mulder has kind of hidden under his aquarium. (This episode was co-written by Chris Carter and Gillian Anderson (Gillian also directed. This episode is her lone writing and directing effort)).
 
**Hollywood A.D. **- This is the episode where Garry Shandling and Tea Leoni play movie characters portraying Mulder and Scully. It’s written by David Duchovny. It starts with filming the “movie” and a Cardinal holds Scully at gunpoint, demanding to get the “Lazarus Bowl” which Jesus used in raising Lazarus. In the real episode, a bomb went off in the crypt of “Christ’s Church” where a Cardinal O’Fallon resides. They find the body of a Micah Hoffman. At Hoffman’s house they find the “heretical” (said Scully) Gospel of Mary Magdalene. He also has nice stained glass windows at his house. Scully later tells Mulder about a time in school when a nun who was convinced of relics believed that Lazarus’ aunt was nearby making a bowl when Jesus raised Lazarus, and His words of raising Lazarus were preserved in the grooves of the bowl. Mulder likes the story and says, “You see? It’s just not true that you can’t get good science at Catholic school. It’s a lie!” Later we find out that the Cardinal had bought copies of the Gospel of Mary Magdalene from Hoffman because he “thought they were real.” An excerpt he read from one piece talked about Jesus and Mary Magdalene in an embrace between man and women. The Cardinal confesses to having bought them to hide them from others whose faith would despair if they found out the truth about Christ. Later they go to arrest the Cardinal at mass. Scully takes a moment to genuflect in front of a crucifix and crosses herself (see photo montage below). But the arrest falls through. Later, a sound expert guy has determined that there are Aramaic words of raising the dead engrained on the bowl. In Hoffman’s apartment we see a painting of Jesus kissing a woman. Hoffman admits that the Gospel of Mary Magdalene was a forgery he made and he went on a long story about how he “became” Jesus Christ in order to play the role of writing the forgery. Scully later asks Mulder if he believes that Hoffman could be Christ because she earlier had a vision of Hoffman being dead and coming alive and the crucifix had turned into Hoffman after she crossed herself. And later we find out that Cardinal O’Fallon murdered Hoffman for real…for what reason at that point I don’t know since he knew the forgeries were forgeries. Mulder even thought the Cardinal was a “beautiful person” even after hearing about the murder. All in all, the episode was simply goofy. And it would appear Dan Brown was inspired by it since his books that resemble this episode were published in 2003 and this episode was 2000. There’s even a scene in the fake movie where Shandling (as Mulder) throws the Lazarus bowl up in the air in slow motion and then goes to save Leoni (as Scully) which parallels the slow motion toss in Da Vinci Code (which I only know of because I saw the trailer).



Patience - The elderly husband of a victim grieves over her one wish of being buried in consecrated earth because she was Catholic.

**The GIft **- A guy prays the Our Father while his wife undergoes a resurrection ritual. SPOILER: The way she gets resurrected is by having a Native American legend of a “soul eater” literally eat her alive. The soul eater guy does resemble Christ in the sense that he consumes a sick person and the person is resurrected healthy again. But the episode does not refer to this.

Per Manum - MAJOR SPOILERS!!! DON’T READ IF YOU DON’T WANT MAJOR PLOT HOLES REVEALED!!!
So in this episode we learn more about Scully’s mysterious pregnancy that we first heard of in Requiem, the season 7 finale. The episode includes flashbacks never seen that were supposed to have taken place sometime before season 5’s “Emily” since I think Scully was already thought to be “barren” at that point if I remember right. Anyway, the flashbacks include Scully learning that she still had a frozen ova still possibly fertilize-able. She asked Mulder to be a donor. All this was supposed to have taken place in earlier seasons even though they never showed it to us or leaked through in their relationship. Kind of a ret-con if you ask me. Anyway, of course, Scully shows her lack of knowledge or indifference to Church teaching on artificial insemination, particularly for a single woman.

**Three Words **- Scully admits to Mulder that while he was gone she “prayed a lot.” :o
 
Haven’t read through the whole thread to see if it was mentioned, but the character of Fox Mulder was a porn addict. It made clear in earlier episodes but never played up as a big issue, just mentioned several times in various ways.
 
By the way, for any of you X-Files fans who are interested, there is an X-Files podcast called “Reopening the X-Files” that is pretty good. “Agent Donald” does a walkthrough of each episode and “Agent Shadow” provides additional interesting facts and review of the episode. They are into season 2 now.
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Essence - Mulder begins narrating and wondering if the soul can be cloned and part of DNA or if it is only something capable of being created by God? Later we discover that a colony of aliens is in fear that God exists because that would be a higher power than them. Mulder indicates he believes in God.

Existence - POTENTIAL SPOILERS!!! Scully and Reyes go to an old house with Christian stained glass windows and Exodus 7:16 on the door about striking the rock for water…except that verse is really Exodus 17:6. 🙂 There’s also a big bright star over the house where Scully is to have her miraculous birth. Hmmmmm…

Daemonicus - There is reference to “The Prince of the Apostles” which Scully identifies as “St. Peter.” :o She at least remembered that from her catechism classes!

4-D - POTENTIAL SPOILERS!!! Reyes euthanizes parallel universe Doggett.

Hellbound - There is a First Calvary Church in this episode with stained glass windows with characters depicted and a big statue of an angel inside by the pews. There’s also a painting of the Virgin Mary and a small crucifix on a Bible below it. The episode is about reincarnation.

Provenance - Continuation of the story line (from Sixth Extinction episodes) of the ship with markings from the Bible, Koran, Buddhism, all suggested to be the word of God.

Providence - Part 2 of Provenance. Agent Reyes kneels and prays in front of a crucifix in a hospital chapel. There’s a painting of the Last Supper in there too. Scully kneels at Doggett’s bedside, giving a half-prayer/half-talking to unconscious Doggett. The hospital is St. Mary’s. The chapel is the place of refuge for Scully and Reyes in a later scene. In another scene, Scully recognizes a man quoting Scripture as being a passage from Ephesians. Reyes later finds the recovered Doggett spending time seated in that same chapel in front of the crucifix.


Reyes about to kneel in front of the crucifix.


Reyes finds Doggett sitting in the chapel after his recovery.

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Audrey Pauley - Reyes in her suspended state, says, “This seem like heaven to you? A big, deserted Catholic hospital?” The main guest star who works at the hospital says the nuns let her stay there in a room at the hospital. In that room is a crucifix and on the door is the image of a famous Mary and Child painting:


Here’s Doggett in the room of the main guest star with the Mary and Child poster on the door and a clearer image of the famous painting.

Underneath - A scared cable guy named Fassl kisses a Rosary before he enters a house. He is shown often with the Rosary which he kisses. We find out he was once in the seminary and kept his faith despite being imprisoned for 13 years. Scully tells Fassl that she is also Catholic and that she remembers praying the Rosary for comfort in times of tribulation in her life. 🙂 Reyes hypothesizes that Fassl has a split personality and could actually change into another person with different DNA. Before Reyes went on with her idea, Scully identified a better Catholic precedent for this Jekyll and Hyde character when she recalled Jesus changing water into wine. Then the episode author’s ignorance came out when Reyes then said in Catholicism there is precedent for this in Transubstantiation which she calls “the manipulation of matter and energy.” But on the contrary, the accidents, or what Reyes called “matter and energy,” remain after Transubstantiation. Transubstantiation is a change unobservable to the senses because it takes place at the unseen level of “substance.” A scientific examination of consecrated bread would show bread. So, even though it was misguided in some of the details, the episode gave credence to Catholicism and Transubstantiation.


Here is the guest star praying his Rosary which Scully also considers a comfort to her. :o

Deadalive - (this one is actually from season 8 that I forgot to include when I went past that episode) POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!!! Scully expresses a hope that stars are souls as Mulder once told her, which is kind of a new age line of religious thinking. Mulder’s “funeral” also appears to be Christian as a pastor reads from Scripture, John 11. The Lone Gunmen bow their heads in prayer too. :o

Jump the Shark - The Morris Fletcher character uses the phrase: “I can give you the keys to the kingdom.”

The Truth - Scully testifies that she believes human life came to earth from a meteor or rock from Mars. The prodigy mind-reading kid has a wooden cross on the wall in his room. Mulder touches Scully’s cross and the next thing he says is: “Maybe there’s hope.” :o SPOILER!!! What is significant about that moment of Mulder touching the cross is that Scully is of course Catholic, and those are the final words spoken in the television series. And whether the author intended it or not, it comes across that Mulder was saying in Scully’s Catholic faith is the remaining hope.

And that wraps up the entire 9 seasons of The X-Files!! Please feel free to continue the chat about favorite episodes, other Catholic moments I may have missed, or whatever thoughts you have on the show! I’ll be back myself to continue sharing thoughts on the show. :o

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But throughout Mulder, the hero of the show, openly watches porno movies and makes fun of Transubstantiation 😛
He was also told by Clyde Bruckman that (paraphrasing) there are worse ways to die than asphyxiation during auto-erotic stimulation but none more humiliating.

And as Mr. Bruckman appeared to have the ability to know how a person will die, it does seem to imply strongly that Mulder’s death is going to be extremely humiliating. Of course we don’t know if Mulder’s death will be caused by asphyxiation during auto-erotic stimulation or that it might be caused by it.

Maybe just knowing that one could die in such circumstances would be enough to stop those circumstances from happening (like in Dickens’ A Christmas Carol).

It was funny, though.

Yeah, I know - this has probably already been posted. Sorry.
 
I recently found out something that made me happy. The 2400 Motel in Vancouver, B.C. is considered to be the favorite motel used by the X-Files staff.

And I’ve stayed there! Twice!! Once on my honeymoon and once alone on a trip to Canada. It’s a retro motel, although “retro” is probably a misnomer. It just never modernized so the rooms probably look the same as they looked when the motel opened. I don’t mean that it’s full of junky furniture and things like that as everything is kept in good condition (when I stayed there), but it definitely is not a modern hotel.

I enjoyed my stays there. Maybe I even stayed in a room that was used during the filming of an X-Files episode!! Wow!!
 
Audrey Pauley - Reyes in her suspended state, says, “This seem like heaven to you? A big, deserted Catholic hospital?” The main guest star who works at the hospital says the nuns let her stay there in a room at the hospital. In that room is a crucifix and on the door is the image of a famous Mary and Child painting:

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Here’s Doggett in the room of the main guest star with the Mary and Child poster on the door and a clearer image of the famous painting.

Underneath - A scared cable guy named Fassl kisses a Rosary before he enters a house. He is shown often with the Rosary which he kisses. We find out he was once in the seminary and kept his faith despite being imprisoned for 13 years. Scully tells Fassl that she is also Catholic and that she remembers praying the Rosary for comfort in times of tribulation in her life. Reyes hypothesizes that Fassl has a split personality and could actually change into another person with different DNA. Before Reyes went on with her idea, Scully identified a better Catholic precedent for this Jekyll and Hyde character when she recalled Jesus changing water into wine. Then the episode author’s ignorance came out when Reyes then said in Catholicism there is precedent for this in Transubstantiation which she calls “the manipulation of matter and energy.” But on the contrary, the accidents, or what Reyes called “matter and energy,” remain after Transubstantiation. Transubstantiation is a change unobservable to the senses because it takes place at the unseen level of “substance.” A scientific examination of consecrated bread would show bread. So, even though it was misguided in some of the details, the episode gave credence to Catholicism and Transubstantiation.

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Here is the guest star praying his Rosary which Scully also considers a comfort to her.

Deadalive - (this one is actually from season 8 that I forgot to include when I went past that episode) POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!!! Scully expresses a hope that stars are souls as Mulder once told her, which is kind of a new age line of religious thinking. Mulder’s “funeral” also appears to be Christian as a pastor reads from Scripture, John 11. The Lone Gunmen bow their heads in prayer too.

Jump the Shark - The Morris Fletcher character uses the phrase: “I can give you the keys to the kingdom.”

The Truth - Scully testifies that she believes human life came to earth from a meteor or rock from Mars. The prodigy mind-reading kid has a wooden cross on the wall in his room. Mulder touches Scully’s cross and the next thing he says is: “Maybe there’s hope.” :o SPOILER!!! What is significant about that moment of Mulder touching the cross is that Scully is of course Catholic, and those are the final words spoken in the television series. And whether the author intended it or not, it comes across that Mulder was saying in Scully’s Catholic faith is the remaining hope.

And that wraps up the entire 9 seasons of The X-Files!! Please feel free to continue the chat about favorite episodes, other Catholic moments I may have missed, or whatever thoughts you have on the show! I’ll be back myself to continue sharing thoughts on the show. :o

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OH NO!! I lost touch with this thread although it was on my mind a lot and now you’re finished? I have an awful lot of reading to do!!

I want you to know that this is a wonderful thread and your obvious hard work on providing the information you did has made my all-time favorite TV show even better. In fact, I plan on copying the entire thread and printing it, if that’s OK with everyone.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

I think you deserve some rousing applause, so here it is:

:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
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