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Irish_13
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I own a New Jerusalem Bible and they refer to the Lord as Yahweh. Being a Catholic is it ok if i call the Lord, Yahweh in my prayers.
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ChibiViolet
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I see no reason why it wouldn’t be.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Jesus himself called him and himself that, so I would say it would be OK.
“Before Abraham was I AM.”
I AM=Yahweh, unless I am mistaken
“Before Abraham was I AM.”
I AM=Yahweh, unless I am mistaken
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SonCatcher
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There is nothing wrong with invoking the Holy Name in your private prayers.
Some people (especially Jews) are fairly sensitive to the public expression of Yahweh, however, so it is discouraged in public prayer to prevent scandalizing them.
Some songs used during the liturgy were changed due to this sensitivity.
“Yahweh is My Shepherd Now” became “The Lord is My Shepherd Now”, for example.
Some people (especially Jews) are fairly sensitive to the public expression of Yahweh, however, so it is discouraged in public prayer to prevent scandalizing them.
Some songs used during the liturgy were changed due to this sensitivity.
“Yahweh is My Shepherd Now” became “The Lord is My Shepherd Now”, for example.
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AdesteFideles
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This is not quite accurate; Hebrew does not have a word for “am”. The English translation of Exodus 3:13-14 would be something like this:
וַיֹּאמֶר מֹשֶׁה אֶל הָאֱלֹהִים, “הִנֵּה אָנֹכִי בָא אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְאָמַרְתִּי לָהֶם אֱלֹהֵי אֲבוֹתֵיכֶם שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם, וְאָמְרוּ לִי מַה שְּׁמוֹ–מָה אֹמַר אֲלֵהֶם?” וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים אֶל מֹשֶׁה, “אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה”… וַיֹּאמֶר: “כֹּה תֹאמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, אֶהְיֶה שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם”.
…then Mosheh said to the Elohim, “When I come to the Yisraelites and I tell them ‘Your ancestors’ Elohim has sent me to you’—what should I tell them if they ask me ‘What is His Name’?”
Elohim answered, “[Tell them I am the One who says] I shall be [with them when they need Me now,] just as I shall be [with them whenever they need Me in the future]”;
and then He said: “Tell the Yisraelites ‘[the One who says] I shall be [with them when they need Me now] has sent me to you’.”
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AdesteFideles
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It’s not so much that we Jews (even of the Catholic sort) are “sensitive” to this, as it is that we have three very good reasons for avoiding pronouncing this “Name” of God:
(a) The most obvious is that it is impossible to pronounce it, because it consists of four consonants only, without any vowels, and so any attempt at pronouncing it must of necessity be an incorrect pronunciation, and there is nothing more insulting than mispronouncing anyone’s name—do we really want to insult God?
(b) Another very good reason for not addressing God by His “Name” is the matter of simple respect: do you call your parents by their given names?
(c) Numbers 23:14-16:
וַיְדַבֵּר ה’ אֶל מֹשֶׁה לֵּאמֹר: הוֹצֵא אֶת הַמְקַלֵּל אֶל מִחוּץ לַמַּחֲנֶה, וְסָמְכוּ כָל הַשֹּׁמְעִים אֶת יְדֵיהֶם עַל רֹאשׁוֹ; וְרָגְמוּ אֹתוֹ כָּל הָעֵדָה. וְאֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל תְּדַבֵּר לֵאמֹר: אִישׁ אִישׁ כִּי יְקַלֵּל אֱלֹהָיו, וְנָשָׂא חֶטְאוֹ, וְנֹקֵב שֵׁם ה’ מוֹת יוּמָת, רָגוֹם יִרְגְּמוּ בוֹ כָּל הָעֵדָה, כַּגֵּר כָּאֶזְרָח, בְּנָקְבוֹ שֵׁם יוּמָת.
Adonai spoke to Mosheh and said, “Take the one who cursed outside the camp and have every one who heard him press their hands onto his head; then the entire community is to execute him. And tell the Yisraelites this: Any man who curses his Elohim commits an unforgivable sin; and anyone who speaks the Four-Lettered Name must be put to death—the entire community is to execute him—the same applies to a foreigner as to a citizen—he must die for speaking the Name.”
We have always interpreted the above to be a direct command from God as to the sacred nature of this “Name”.
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SonCatcher
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That passage is actually Leviticus 24:14-16. Every other translation uses “blaspheme” or some variant instead of “speak.”
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Luigi_Daniele
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SonCatcher
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That’s tricky, since it is recorded in Greek and Jesus would have been speaking Aramaic or Hebrew.Thanks for the info.
What did Jesus say then
Before Abraham was, ----- ?
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Luigi_Daniele
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Ahhh, OK.
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
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Irish_13
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I want to use the term for silent prayer but how would you pronounce it correctly because i looked it up and people pronounced it many different ways.
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Luigi_Daniele
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meltzerboy
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Jews always use Adonai in prayer (or Adoshem) and HaShem in conversation, but never J-hovah or Y-weh. It is especially forbidden to write G-d’s full name, for fear that it may be intentionally or accidentally deleted. There is even a mystical Kabbalistic idea that the entire Torah spells G-d’s full name.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Interesting. Thank you older brother in the Faith
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DaveBj
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Yah-veh, a as in father, e as in met, and both h’s are pronounced, because they are part of the stem of the verb from which the original word was formed. This is not 100% certain, but those who study these things say that it’s most likely pretty close.
AdesteFideles, I was going to PM this, but there may be others than I who are interested – where are you getting the Hebrew text that you post? I have the Hebrew in my PC Study Bible software, but it can’t be marked and pasted into other documents.
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trdchubi
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To the OP, Meltzerboy was right, such pronunciation violates long-standing Jewish tradition. Even the Vatican concur with this.
Holy See Stops Use of ‘Yahweh’ in Catholic Worship
You can keep reading your NJB since it is a Catholic translation but I suggest limit the use of the Tetragrammaton YHWH and use Adonai or Hashem instead.
I personally love the song of Dan Schutte “You are near”. He recently change the word YHWH to simply “Oh Lord” when the directive was given. He penned the lyrics using The Jerusalem Bible almost four decades ago. I grew up singing it at church.
Here is the original song. You are Near
Holy See Stops Use of ‘Yahweh’ in Catholic Worship
You can keep reading your NJB since it is a Catholic translation but I suggest limit the use of the Tetragrammaton YHWH and use Adonai or Hashem instead.
I personally love the song of Dan Schutte “You are near”. He recently change the word YHWH to simply “Oh Lord” when the directive was given. He penned the lyrics using The Jerusalem Bible almost four decades ago. I grew up singing it at church.
Here is the original song. You are Near
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SonCatcher
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arkwright
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I have had the Jerusalem Bible since it was first published on October 1966 .So I have got used to the name Yahweh .
Of course it is ok to call the Lord “Yahweh” in your prayers .
Whatever instructions may have been given for its use in the Liturgy have nothing to do with your personal prayer .
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SheaWilson
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Jahweh means: “I Am” in Hebrew, if I am not mistaken. In the New Jerusalem Bible, which is a version I absolutely LOVE, within the Torah (Old Testament), Jahweh Sabaoth is used as the name of God, after Moses. Before that, He used El Shaddai for Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, if I remember right.
All in all, the New Jerusalem Bible, as well as the Jerusalem Bible, are Catholic versions, which means, they are truthful according to the Magisterium of the Church. All “Jahweh Sabaoth” means is “I am the Sabbath”.
Also, I think we get “Jahweh” from Hebrew translation of JHWH. That was how the name of God was written in ancient Hebrew.
All in all, the New Jerusalem Bible, as well as the Jerusalem Bible, are Catholic versions, which means, they are truthful according to the Magisterium of the Church. All “Jahweh Sabaoth” means is “I am the Sabbath”.
Also, I think we get “Jahweh” from Hebrew translation of JHWH. That was how the name of God was written in ancient Hebrew.
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