Y'all are Satan worshipers

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I expect that this reference right c’here on y’alls bookstore may be a help:
http://shop.catholic.com/the-aposta...-unbreakable-early-church-hardcover-book.html

In the vein of approaching this matter as evidence substantiating the continuity of Apostolic Succession by denying it, this further item may be valuable:
http://shop.catholic.com/search/?q=hostile witnesses

Those opposed to the church often reveal the truth in presenting false counter evidence.
As the apostasy and the Catholic Church are identified in a one to one relationship the fallacy in constructing “the apostasy that wasn’t” reveals that church which is founded on Peter by Jesus.
 
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From what I understand about Mormonism (and I could be wrong), I thought hell or “outer darkness” was for the demons and Mormons who left Mormonism
 
Former Mormon missionary Thomas Smith can tell you more about that
 
I would say that off the back the book of Mormon is wrong because there is definitely more than just two churches
 
Hi, Jay!

It is interesting how people read Scriptures and yet miss (purposely or by ignorance) what Scriptures are Revealing.

Do you recall one of the reasons why Israel rejected Jesus?

They, the religious, claimed that Jesus was channeling Satan:
11:15 But some of them said, ‘It is through Beelzebul, the prince of devils, that he casts out devils’. 11:16 Others asked him, as a test, for a sign from heaven; 11:17 but, knowing what they were thinking, he said to them, ‘Every kingdom divided against itself is heading for ruin, and a household divided against itself collapses. 11:18 So too with Satan: if he is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? – Since you assert that it is through Beelzebul that I cast out devils. 11:19 Now if it is through Beelzebul that I cast out devils, through whom do your own experts cast them out? Let them be your judges then. (St. Luke)
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And Jesus stated that what they do to the Master they will do to His Followers:
15:18 ‘If the world hates you, remember that it hated me before you. 15:19 If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world, because my choice withdrew you from the world, therefore the world hates you. 15:20 Remember the words I said to you: A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they kept my word, they will keep yours as well. 15:21 But it will be on my account that they will do all this, because they do not know the one who sent me. 15:22 If I had not come, if I had not spoken to them, they would have been blameless; but as it is they have no excuse for their sin. 15:23 Anyone who hates me hates my Father. 15:24 If I had not performed such works among them as no one else has ever done, they would be blameless; but as it is, they have seen all this, and still they hate both me and my Father. 15:25 But all this was only to fulfil the words written in their Law: They hated me for no reason. (St. John)
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So it is not surprising that the world and those who claim to be in fellowship with Christ will reject Christ’s only Founded Church.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Jay!

…the problem remains–they have this “population” of the Universe and becoming “gods;” just two tenets reject all of Jesus’ Teaching… remember what Jesus stated about those who claim Him by clause (claims on Scriptural interpretation) and tongue (lip service)?:
7:21 ‘It is not those who say to me, “Lord, Lord”, who will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. 7:22 When the day comes many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?” 7:23 Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!’ (St. Matthew)
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Claiming to be Christ’s Sheep does not make it so!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Hi, Pug!

…not only is that against God’s Omnipotence, Mercy, Justice, and Salvific Plan, but it ignores Christ’s Teaching:
20:8 In the evening, the owner of the vineyard said to his bailiff, “Call the workers and pay them their wages, starting with the last arrivals and ending with the first”. 20:9 So those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came forward and received one denarius each. 20:10 When the first came, they expected to get more, but they too received one denarius each. 20:11 They took it, but grumbled at the landowner. 20:12 “The men who came last” they said “have done only one hour, and you have treated them the same as us, though we have done a heavy day’s work in all the heat.” 20:13 He answered one of them and said, “My friend, I am not being unjust to you; did we not agree on one denarius? 20:14 Take your earnings and go. I choose to pay the last comer as much as I pay you. 20:15 Have I no right to do what I like with my own? Why be envious because I am generous?” 20:16 Thus the last will be first, and the first, last.’ (St. Matthew)
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God’s Salvific Plan does not work according to man’s limitations (“my Ways are not your ways!”)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Pug!

I think what she is confusing is hollowood’s spirituality where man commits to evil and just seconds before dying claims to confess sins, reject evil and embrace God… the Holy Spirit, Who searches the depths of even God, cannot be fooled by pretense and claims of ignorance.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi!

Well, the fact remains that no one can be saved outside of the Body of Christ–did the early Church’s emphasis on this became too clouded in “Catholic Church” only? Yes. Yet, considering the widespread liberties that have been knocking on the door of the Church herself, it is understandable that the reins were held zealously close to her Authority.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Jay!

…but does that not make Satan their brother as well?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Rebecca!

…which brings us to Saul… was he not bent on the destruction of those of the Way?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Well, most of the Mormons I have known haven’t called me a Satan worshipper. You call me that, I’ll be frank about what I think about your beliefs too. If on the other hand you are “live and let live” and can be my colleague without trying to convert me, then we won’t have a problem of loaded statements on either side.
 
They won’t say it to your face, but I PROMISE you that they say it in group meetings at church.
 
I think she meant more than that, but perhaps you are right. A pretense of repentance is not going to do anything for salvation.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
Well, most of the Mormons I have known haven’t called me a Satan worshipper. You call me that, I’ll be frank about what I think about your beliefs too. If on the other hand you are “live and let live” and can be my colleague without trying to convert me, then we won’t have a problem of loaded statements on either side.
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All I’m saying is try not to insinuate that an entire people of faith must be crazy for believing in Joseph Smith. Yes, we do know that the claims are utterly ridiculous and easily refutable today, but I find no value in being sarcastic about another faith, especially when they may have had no control over that belief.
 
Hi, Rebecca!

I meant that St. Paul actually persecuted the Church because in his heart and mind the Church was heretical–so it is nothing new when some, as fervent “Believers” as they think they are malign the Church Founded by Christ.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Tis!

…I think this happens in the later stages… at first they are very accommodating and even offer to assist you with any particular chore or situation… as the JW, their goal is to ‘win you over.’

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Jay!

…yet, there’s a lot of that going around–I’ve even heard it from “Catholics;” it’s all about God’s Mercy… His Justice (Wrath) does not really take place!

(Pass the popcorn and keep on rolling!)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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