Yellow vestments?

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I did a double-take when shown pictures of a very festive Mass in a neighboring diocese. The vestments were Lemon Yellow. I know gold can be used in place of white, but these were not gold. They might have been very complementary to those powder blue chasibles that still turn up from time to time. At least the priests’ stoles were not on the outside.
 
Better yellow than a clown outfit !

I can’t say that I’ve ever seen yellow vestments, either.
Someone else would know better than I.
 
mystified said:
I did a double-take when shown pictures of a very festive Mass in a neighboring diocese. The vestments were Lemon Yellow. I know gold can be used in place of white, but these were not gold. They might have been very complementary to those powder blue chasibles that still turn up from time to time. At least the priests’ stoles were not on the outside.
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Some gold vestments can appear to be yellow–especially in a photograph.

Colors can be difficult to define sometimes. Are you sure it was lemon yellow, and not a canary yellow?
 
I don’t suppose there’s any chance it was a feast of a confessor in a Mass according to the Sarum Use? :cool:
 
mystified said:
I did a double-take when shown pictures of a very festive Mass in a neighboring diocese. The vestments were Lemon Yellow. I know gold can be used in place of white, but these were not gold. They might have been very complementary to those powder blue chasibles that still turn up from time to time. At least the priests’ stoles were not on the outside.
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Maybe it was a special VATICAN Mass, Thier colors are yellow and white. 😛 :confused: :eek: 🤷
 
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I don’t suppose there’s any chance it was a feast of a confessor in a Mass according to the Sarum Use? :cool:
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I have just looked over those photos again. The vestments are definitely yellow. The Mass was in celebration of Tet.
Is Tet an important feast in the Sarum Use calendar? 😉 .
 
In addition to the Sarum usage, the Dominicans also had an option to use yellow vestments for simplex feasts of Confessors.

The Sarum usage had faded into disuse well before Trent, and was subsequently suppressed. The application of liturgical colors in the Dominican usage has mirrored the Roman usage since the mid-17th century), so it’s highly doubtful that what the OP reports had anything to do with either one.

The only holiday I am familiar with that is called “Tet” is the Asian Lunar New Year which was celebrated just recently. I’ve never heard of one, but maybe there’s some sort of “indult” for the use of yellow in Vietnam or China? If not, using yellow looks like something that falls into the “abuse” department.
 
Yes, Tet is the Vietnamese word for the New Year, for them, Chinese New Year. (I have lots of Asian friends. Catholic Asian friends.)
 
It’s all good.

For “Scout Sunday” today, the celebrant wore a white stole (with his green chasuble) which had tons of boyscout merit badges sewn all over the outside!

And then the homily was replaced by a video.
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Are you sure it was lemon yellow, and not a canary yellow?
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Oh, Father! :rolleyes:
 
passus said:
It’s all good.

For “Scout Sunday” today, the celebrant wore a white stole (with his green chasuble) which had tons of boyscout merit badges sewn all over the outside!
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It seems a safe bet to assume that this was an OF event.
 
THE STOLE ISN"T SUPPOSED TO GO OUTSIDE?!?!?!!?!?!?:eek:

AHHH! our priest wears his stole outside every weekend.
 
passus said:
Yup.

Yup, same with our pastor. 😛

I was considering telling him about it…
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Some priests “never got the memo” that the option of wearing the stole over the chasuble (as opposed to under the chasuble) is no longer a licit option.

It doesn’t help that vestment manufacturers still sell “overstoles” either.
 
To get us back on topic.

In all seriousness, sometimes determining just what “color” a vestment might be can be very subjective and very difficult. Walk into a paint store and the colors are very clearly defined. Granted that textile manufacturers are just as specific, once the cloth is actually made into a vestment, it can often appear to be different “colors” depending on the lighting, and even the lining used. Words like “white” and “gold” are not very specific words afterall. White can be ivory, bone, cream, etc. etc. Most gold vestments are in-fact a shade of yellow because the only way to get a “true gold” is to use actual gold threads (possible, but rather expensive, not to mention heavy).

The only way to realy know if that particular vestment would be “yellow” or “gold” would be to go right up to it and look at it very closely. Even then, one person might describe it as gold, another might say yellow.
 
FrDavid96 said:
To get us back on topic.

In all seriousness, sometimes determining just what “color” a vestment might be can be very subjective and very difficult. Walk into a paint store and the colors are very clearly defined. Granted that textile manufacturers are just as specific, once the cloth is actually made into a vestment, it can often appear to be different “colors” depending on the lighting, and even the lining used. Words like “white” and “gold” are not very specific words afterall. White can be ivory, bone, cream, etc. etc. Most gold vestments are in-fact a shade of yellow because the only way to get a “true gold” is to use actual gold threads (possible, but rather expensive, not to mention heavy).

The only way to realy know if that particular vestment would be “yellow” or “gold” would be to go right up to it and look at it very closely. Even then, one person might describe it as gold, another might say yellow.
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Personally, and referencing traditional vestments, I’ve never encountered a gold-colored one that appeared “yellow,” and I have to say I’ve seen a lot of vestments over many years. The single exception I can think of is an antique vestment which had faded after several hundred years (and yes, it was woven with thread of gold).

In a traditional fabric, gold shows as “gold” (whether or not it is that rare item actually made with thread of gold) a lot more than it does in felt, or polyester, or burlap, or raw wool, or raw silk, or whatever. I suppose gold-appearing-yellow might exist in the post-conciliar style, and I think one has to take the fabric into consideration. But even then, maybe “marigold” or “dijon mustard” could be confused with “gold,” but “lemon yellow” (or even “canary yellow”) seem to me to be too big a stretch.

My take on the OP is still that it was yellow and used either (a) with an obscure indult for the Far East, or if such indult does not exist, (b) an abuse.
 
FrDavid96 said:
To get us back on topic.

In all seriousness, sometimes determining just what “color” a vestment might be can be very subjective and very difficult. Walk into a paint store and the colors are very clearly defined. Granted that textile manufacturers are just as specific, once the cloth is actually made into a vestment, it can often appear to be different “colors” depending on the lighting, and even the lining used…
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Is that when you call your advent pink vestments “rose”? 😃
 
FrDavid96 said:
To get us back on topic.

In all seriousness, sometimes determining just what “color” a vestment might be can be very subjective and very difficult. Walk into a paint store and the colors are very clearly defined. Granted that textile manufacturers are just as specific, once the cloth is actually made into a vestment, it can often appear to be different “colors” depending on the lighting, and even the lining used. Words like “white” and “gold” are not very specific words afterall. White can be ivory, bone, cream, etc. etc. Most gold vestments are in-fact a shade of yellow because the only way to get a “true gold” is to use actual gold threads (possible, but rather expensive, not to mention heavy).

The only way to realy know if that particular vestment would be “yellow” or “gold” would be to go right up to it and look at it very closely. Even then, one person might describe it as gold, another might say yellow.
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Fr, David. What you say makes perfect sense. It looks like some people just have made up their minds that an abuse had to have taken place!
As an example of how the processing of pictures does make a gold vestment appear to be a diifferent colour than it actually is, I am posting some pictures of the Pope’s Mass at Marienfeld during WYD 2005. In all four of the pictures below, the chasuble seems to be a different shade. The one closest to the actual colour is the fourth.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2102/wydcologne3wi9.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6974/wydcologne2su7.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5962/wydcolognejy2.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4021/wydcologne4zb2.jpg
 
Can you post the link or the actual pictures from your diocese? I am very curious now!
 
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