'Yep, I'm Gay': Happy 20th out anniversary, Ellen DeGeneres

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Wow, I can remember it well. This was the first step. It started off as this person is gay no big deal. It didn’t take long until it became this is normal and good. And it took even less time until it became if you don’t celebrate this you are the degenerate.
Every BBC series and soap "has"to have a gay "wedding… PC you know, :rolleyes:
I’m finding it harder and harder to watch most media these days. It is quite frankly mostly degenerate. A well formed adult may be able to watch it, and even the it is desensitizing. But most media today is really abusive for young minds. None of it is necessary. As much as I enjoy TV and movies the world got by fine, actually better, without it.
 
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A lot of it is the why the message has been delivered, the lack of addressing other sexual morality issues creating this feeling of complete and utter hypocrisy by many, the feeling of the teaching to call out unjust discrimination is often just words to some, Catholic associated sites like Litesitenews or Crisis who seem to lack any and utter charity towards gay people, treat them as the enemy basically in the culture war and create an US vs Them.

For example, Beauty and the Beast lead to a huge freak out for having a gay character who never kissed another guy, just apparently had a short dance seen where you could infer his orientation. Big Bang Theory, a hit comedy show, regularly has the characters hook up and have premarital sex and no one says a peep. Some prominent figure in real life talks about their same sex spouse… the world is ending. A person who is married to their 3rd spouse… nothing. The rampant use of contraception even among Catholics… rarely made a big deal about. A person says they’re gay… many freak out and view them as now supporting or going to some kind of inherently hedonistic lifestyle. A person divorces and announces they’re marriage to someone else… nope nothing. When it feels like heterosexual sin is widely tolerated while homosexual sin (and some cases just having the temptations) is viewed as the most evil thing possible… doesn’t matter how you word the message, people are going to feel like it’s not legitimate.

Not to mention we have a culture, including widespread in Christian culture, that basically idolatrizes romantic sexual love and as devalued friendship so much that for many people, not being able to express love in a sexual romantic relationship translates to them as being without love their entire life. We have done a terrible job at making our church communities into fellowship of brothers and sisters in Christ. Too often it feels like a Sunday social club where many leave the second they can to return to their lives with their families. When you’re the celibate single and people don’t seem like they willing to make time for you, it hurts. When it feels like you’re the one constantly sacrificing and bending over backwards to try and help married friends who seemingly push you out of their lives as they enter ‘the married life state’ and find couple friends, it’s hard not to feel unwanted and ‘stuck.’ The truth is our church culture (Christian at large) doesn’t talk about supporting people in celibate vocations ever yet has tremendous amount of resources, support, ministries etc towards the vocation of marriage. It gives off the impression that everyone will do everything in their power to help the married couple succeed while basically telling the celibate person to figure it out on their own (and if they’re a gay/ssa celibate person… then to figure it out on their own, don’t disclose your attractions, and don’t appear ‘too gay’ because that makes everyone else uncomfortable apparently). Also when is the last time we focused on the love that can be found in friendship, discussed the amazing friendship between David and Jonathan, talked about and upheld celibate people in general?.. Rather Christian culture gushes only over married people (particular those with children) and often treats single people as spiritual immature or something is wrong with them (especially if they’re gay/ssa).

With all of these factors in play, it isn’t the Church teaching that is the issue. Society and culture as a poor perspective on love, their is a lack of vocational support in celibacy (people often have the perspective of it’s hard therefore I must not have the calling yet we realize marriage vocation isn’t always easy so there is a faulty perspective there), and their is blatant hypocrisy on how other sin issues are addressed. With all that in mind, the Church teachings to many feel like nothing more than empty words. That is why I think places like spiritualfriendship.org are so valuable. They kinda have some extra points when addressing gay/ssa people since they not only actively trying to live within a traditional teaching while dealing with sexuality issues, but they are trying to support and uphold others with that same cross. They (in my view) have been able to do far more than Courage simply because unlike Courage (which has valid reasons for this), the writers in spiritual friendship are more open thus provide physical rather than abstract examples of people.
Well, a large part of the problem is that the Church itself does not address these things directly enough, I think its because they do not want to risk being seen as too old fashioned and drive the congregation away. I see it in my parish all the time, they will ‘gloss over’ immoral things that are popular in the secular world, whether its greed, homosexuality, etc Heck I cannot recall the last time I heard a homily addressing modern day greed, even though that is a HUGE problem today, so…?

For the most part, its ‘go along to get along’ today. many parishioners are more concerned with their secular life, they call themselves christian/ catholic, but if that message/ label starts to risk their secular career or life or any way inconvenience their lifestyle, its out the window, or they look to something to justify continuing as they are.
 
Its accepted because majority of people have been successfully desensitized to homosexual relationships, marriage. This process did not take long at all.

And I believe the same process will be used again and again, for all sorts of crazy stuff, heck I can see it happening the last couple years with pedophilia, its in the news almost daily, its not shocking anymore to hear teacher and other adults who are caught having relationships with students or younger people…historically this is always the first step.

Satan is pretty good at convincing us more serious sin is not that bad, once we give in a little bit.
Big difference, it’s not just “in the news”, it’s the in news with people being charged and convicted to typically long sentences for what amount to high level felonies. And rightly so, pedophilia, child molestation, etc… are crimes against children. If it’s one thing societies tend to abhor it’s crimes and violence against children. These types of crimes are often quite analogous with rape in terms of how society views them (indeed because some forms of pedophilia actually are statutory rape). Acts in the spectrum around pedophilia are not particularly analogous with two consenting adults having a relationship with each other regardless of the sex of the two parties.
 
Big difference, it’s not just “in the news”, it’s the in news with people being charged and convicted to typically long sentences for what amount to high level felonies. And rightly so, pedophilia, child molestation, etc… are crimes against children. If it’s one thing societies tend to abhor it’s crimes and violence against children. These types of crimes are often quite analogous with rape in terms of how society views them (indeed because some forms of pedophilia actually are statutory rape). Acts in the spectrum around pedophilia are not particularly analogous with two consenting adults having a relationship with each other regardless of the sex of the two parties.
I wouldn’t count on a society that allows the murder of babies to protect children. In some sense our society has gotten more legally protective of born children, but a hedonistic society may briefly focus on that just to salve its guilt. It certainly isn’t because of a deep adherence to the moral order.
 
I passed by a show on the tube the other day where a man was “coming out” to his mother and the big deal is that it was being broadcast live on TV. Moral objections aside, I just don’t understand why people can’t just keep their private lives private anymore. When I meet someone the last thing on my mind is “Gee, what is your sexual preference?” This society has such tunnel vision on sexuality it is maddening.
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Well, a large part of the problem is that the Church itself does not address these things directly enough, I think its because they do not want to risk being seen as too old fashioned and drive the congregation away. I see it in my parish all the time, they will ‘gloss over’ immoral things that are popular in the secular world, whether its greed, homosexuality, etc Heck I cannot recall the last time I heard a homily addressing modern day greed, even though that is a HUGE problem today, so…?

For the most part, its ‘go along to get along’ today. many parishioners are more concerned with their secular life, they call themselves christian/ catholic, but if that message/ label starts to risk their secular career or life or any way inconvenience their lifestyle, its out the window, or they look to something to justify continuing as they are.
Sex before marriage is another one, only once have I heard a priest do a homily on fornication some years back and some of the young people there couldn’t stop giggling and shaking there head in disagreement with him.
Another topic I’d love to see be preached more is the reality of hell and purgatory is never preached about. Those are important topics and should be addressed.
 
I wouldn’t count on a society that allows the murder of babies to protect children. In some sense our society has gotten more legally protective of born children, but a hedonistic society may briefly focus on that just to salve its guilt. It certainly isn’t because of a deep adherence to the moral order.
Good thing our society doesn’t allow the murder of what are legally considered babies then 😉
 
For example, Beauty and the Beast lead to a huge freak out for having a gay character who never kissed another guy, just apparently had a short dance seen where you could infer his orientation. Big Bang Theory, a hit comedy show, regularly has the characters hook up and have premarital sex and no one says a peep.
Indeed. I also note that twenty years ago, when Ellen and Oprah were receiving all that hate mail for the “coming out of the closet” episode, the hit shows Seinfeld and Friends were already full of sexual immorality.
 
Sex before marriage is another one, only once have I heard a priest do a homily on fornication some years back and some of the young people there couldn’t stop giggling and shaking there head in disagreement with him.
Only once? That’s scary.
 
Good thing our society doesn’t allow the murder of what are legally considered babies then 😉
Whether the preborn are called “babies” or “fetuses” (or “embryos” in the first trimester) is irrelevant. What’s important is that they’re human beings.

Also, your “;)” suggests a disturbingly callous attitude, even for someone who’s pro-choice.
 
The issue is that from Catholic teaching, that love should not be expressed sexually. As sex, according to our teaching, as a specific purpose (i.e. be open to life and within a marriage).
Pretty much everyone is aware of that, but many people simply disagree. And not just the non-Catholics disagree, an ever growing number of Catholics, too.

By the way, there is an ample supply of love displayed by friends, too, and love between parents and children. No sexuality is displayed.
 
Would this apply to an older man and an 13 year old girl?
If she is mature enough, why not? Marriages between under aged was (and is) the norm in some societies.

It is telling that the question is always presented in the form of an “older man and young woman” scenario, and never in a reverse setting: “older woman, younger man”. The movie of “Summer of '42” displayed this kind of event in a very subdued and tasteful fashion.
 
Pretty much everyone is aware of that, but many people simply disagree. And not just the non-Catholics disagree, an ever growing number of Catholics, too.
That’s no great surprise, considering that many Catholics also reject the church’s teachings on contraception, fornication, and masturbation.

Btw you shouldn’t say “the non-Catholics disagree” but rather that some non-Catholics disagree.
 
P. S. Call this off topic if you must, but when I read this thread I’m always reminded of the proposal on CAF, a few months ago, to make it illegal for gay people to come out of the closet – yes, seriously. (Which is perhaps a sign that I should spend more time offline than I do.)
 
That’s no great surprise, considering that many Catholics also reject the church’s teachings on contraception, fornication, and masturbation.
Yes. Did you ever contemplate: “why?”.
Btw you shouldn’t say “the non-Catholics disagree” but rather that some non-Catholics disagree.
What percentage is that “some”?
 
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