Yes, that is just what the Church in Belgium needs: more Liberalism

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The Holy Father could not have appointed him…if he did I’m kinda sad. 😦
 
Wanting to open the priesthood to married men is neither heresy nor dissent, I should like to point out. He is entitled to hold that opinion, provided that he follows the law of the church on the matter.

However, yeah, his comments on women’s status in the church are disturbing.
 
WetCatechumen said:
Wanting to open the priesthood to married men is neither heresy nor dissent, I should like to point out. He is entitled to hold that opinion, provided that he follows the law of the church on the matter.

However, yeah, his comments on women’s status in the church are disturbing.
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Usually those who advocate for married priests, also advocates for women priests, and homosexual marriage, and the pill, and everything else in the agenda of the liberals. i dont know why but they seem to go together somehow. that is all the liberals want one open door for changes to begin.
 
wisdomseeker said:
Usually those who advocate for married priests, also advocates for women priests, and homosexual marriage, and the pill, and everything else in the agenda of the liberals. i dont know why but they seem to go together somehow. that is all the liberals want one open door for changes to begin.
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I would accept the practice of Married Catholic men becoming preist, just as I accept the practice of celibacy in the Latin Church. i don’t accept any of the latter which you have written.
 
wisdomseeker said:
Usually those who advocate for married priests, also advocates for women priests, and homosexual marriage, and the pill, and everything else in the agenda of the liberals. i dont know why but they seem to go together somehow. that is all the liberals want one open door for changes to begin.
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I support married priests, but I don’t support any of the other things you’ve mentioned. I would love the idea of becoming a full-fledged priest once all of my kids are off to college or out of the house.
 
Wow. Molesting his nephews? That is disgusting.

St. Malachy’s Prophecy is seeming more and more correct. After our current Pope, according to the prophecy, we’ll get a Pope who will “lead his sheep through many trials and tribulations”. These trials and tribulations must involve lackluster (to say the least) so-called “leaders” of the Church, among other problems with our clergymen.
wisdomseeker said:
Usually those who advocate for married priests, also advocates for women priests, and homosexual marriage, and the pill, and everything else in the agenda of the liberals. i dont know why but they seem to go together somehow. that is all the liberals want one open door for changes to begin.
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Holy Slippery Slopes Batman!

I advocate for married priests, and that’s about it (though I do turn a blind eye towards gay marriage in terms of state law, I would not allow it in any Church).
 
MarianD said:
Wow. Molesting his nephews? That is disgusting.

St. Malachy’s Prophecy is seeming more and more correct. After our current Pope, according to the prophecy, we’ll get a Pope who will “lead his sheep through many trials and tribulations”. These trials and tribulations must involve lackluster (to say the least) so-called “leaders” of the Church, among other problems with our clergymen.

Holy Slippery Slopes Batman!

I advocate for married priests, and that’s about it (though I do turn a blind eye towards gay marriage in terms of state law, I would not allow it in any Church).
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you advocate for married priests even though the holy father has already explain why the celibate priests. it is a beautifull gift from God. Now, others like you, advocate for women priests, homosexual marriage. they seem to have reason just like you do for married priests. all of you are against what the holy father wants for the Church. I pray to God that the Church continues to resist the ideas of man to change what Church is upholding for the good of Kingdom.
 
Wisdomseeker:
Celibacy is a beautiful gift from God. No orthodox Catholic would contest that since Our Lord, St John the baptist, St Paul and many others set the example for us and Holy Mother Church has infallibly defined that the celibate state is higher than that of marriage (see Trent). That being said, the Church always has, and does to this day, ordained married men to the priesthood. In the Eastern Catholic Churches, monastics and bishops are, of course, always celibate, but parish priests may be married. Even in the Latin Church former married Anglican clergymen have sometimes been ordained priests. I am not advocating that the Latin Church change her discipline on this matter, but we must be careful of sweeping generalizations. Some comments made on this board render a great disservice to the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of holy married priests in good standing with Rome.
 
wisdomseeker said:
you advocate for married priests even though the holy father has already explain why the celibate priests. it is a beautifull gift from God. Now, others like you, advocate for women priests, homosexual marriage. they seem to have reason just like you do for married priests. all of you are against what the holy father wants for the Church. I pray to God that the Church continues to resist the ideas of man to change what Church is upholding for the good of Kingdom.
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What do you mean by “all of you” do you include me? Notice I said I would welcome the change to allow married Catholic men on becoming priest, the practice of priest getting married has never & will never be allowed in the Catholic Church (I am also including the Eastern Churches on that matter). I embrace the teaching of celibacy and see it has a higher state of living, but it’s only a discipline that the Latin Church has, and I see no reason on doing away with it, if the Church were to allow the ordination of married men, she already allows this to a certain extent for those converts of the Anligan and certain protestand denominations.
 
wisdomseeker said:
Now, others like you, advocate for women priests, homosexual marriage. they seem to have reason just like you do for married priests. all of you are against what the holy father wants for the Church. I pray to God that the Church continues to resist the ideas of man to change what Church is upholding for the good of Kingdom.
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The reasons for women priests, gay marriage, etc. are all modernism. “The Church needs to get with the times” they say (my motto is “The Truth is unchanging”. Like Pope John Paul II said, “The Church is the Standard”). Now, when it comes to married priests, it has nothing to do with “getting with the times”. It has to do with the fact that the reason why there is a priest shortage is because priests must be celibate (something that many people honestly say to themselves they can’t do). And because of the priest shortage, we have so many bad (from liturgical abusers to sexual abusers) priests who can’t be replaced or else we’d leave a parish without a priest.

Now I understand that celibacy calls for a higher friendship with God, and I understand that the priesthood is a higher way of life. However, if the Pope were to suddenly say “All priests can now be married”, I wouldn’t oppose it. I’m opposed to all the others things I’m supposed to support according to you (even though they’re all unrelated and it makes no sense why I would support those), but when it comes to married priests, I’m not opposed to it. However, until this rule is changed, I don’t see a married man being ordained as a priest after his marriage as a valid clergyman.

Perhaps “advocate” isn’t the right word. Maybe I should’ve said “not opposed to”
 
I’ve read that the priest shortage is entirely artificial. That those dioceses lead by a traditional bishop have no shortage of seminarians. That the post-Vatican II reforms have made priesthood unattractive to men.

Also, I’ve heard that if you have traditionalist leanings you’d better keep quite about them if you want to be ordained. Liberal vocation directors and the laity they employ tend to filter out heterosexual, pious, traditionalist men.
 
Layman said:
I’ve read that the priest shortage is entirely artificial. That those dioceses lead by a traditional bishop have no shortage of seminarians. That the post-Vatican II reforms have made priesthood unattractive to men.

Also, I’ve heard that if you have traditionalist leanings you’d better keep quite about them if you want to be ordained. Liberal vocation directors and the laity they employ tend to filter out heterosexual, pious, traditionalist men.
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Agreed.
IMHO I feel that the priesthood has been “feminized” and pious and traditional priest are looked down upon as being too “uptight” “mean” or “intolerant” of others. People ignorant of the faith tend to be into flamboyant or “nice” priest who can crack a joke at mass. But I also notice when a good preast speaks at the homily almost everyone is paying attention, they have this look as if they are about to get hit by an 18-wheeler.
 
Melchior said:
Custom and discipline. There were Priests int he early Church who were married, and we recently have had some men be ordained after they converted.

Heresy.

Heresy.

Heresy.

Yeah, I’d say one of these things is not like the others.
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Thanks for pointing this out, I was hoping someone would do so.

Also, it doesn’t matter if he doesn’t “publicly” advocate for these things, heresy is heresy regardless of how far you disperse it and definitely isn’t something that an ordained bishop should be adopting in any sense. Prayers are certainly needed.
 
wisdomseeker said:
you advocate for married priests even though the holy father has already explain why the celibate priests. it is a beautifull gift from God. Now, others like you, advocate for women priests, homosexual marriage. they seem to have reason just like you do for married priests. all of you are against what the holy father wants for the Church. I pray to God that the Church continues to resist the ideas of man to change what Church is upholding for the good of Kingdom.
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Exactly! 👍
 
Don’t worry, guys. The Holy Spirit guides the Church. The Holy Father knows what he is doing.

His comments on celibacy are total within the limits of orthodoxy, while his opinions on women priests are not. Also, who knows? Maybe he made those comments back in the day and has changed his mind? Either way, I’m sure that he couldn’t do much damage, and that the Pope thought this over prudently. The Pope certainly does not need to give us reasons or answer to us about his decisions!
 
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