Yet another Catholic asking questions concerning transgenderism

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Greetings,

I know there are probably many threads discussing this topic, however, please hear me out…I am at a point in my life where I could truly use some solid, non-biased advice. Forgive me…as this will be a very lengthly post. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourselves to hear my testimonial……

am a twenty-one year old college student, still a virgin, who has decided it is time to carefully go through my personal life and see what remains to be fixed before I can saftly say I am ready to venture into the world of courting. I am slightly different from most people with my condition due to the fact that 1)I am only attracted to men and 2) I am a hermaphrodite…basically, I have female chromosones, a broad-shouldered, stocky female body with some slight physical abnormalities - nothing too crazy…I’m being vague for the sake of everyone’s sanity -and male-pattern hair/stubble. Furthermore, I tend to think of myself in male terms, although I am completely attracted to men only, contrary to what many people assume due to my habit of preffering male attire.

Like so many of those who share this gender identity disorder, I realized something was slightly out of place when I was quite young. I can remember the incident clearly: a four-year-old child crying their heart out in one of the school bathrooms as they realized they would never grow up to be a boy. I wore dresses, pink stuff, played dress-up…the usual feminine things. As an adult, I realize this was a coping mechanism employed to conform to my physical gender.

Thankfully, my parents had explained my hermaphroditic condition to me in an age-appropriate manner. Now, before anyone jumps to conclusions, my family is very close and completely loyal to the Catholic Church……my parents made it a point to discuss issues that most families have difficulty addressing. Ironically, I kept my questions to myself, as I have always been the sort of individual who tries to solve their own problems and not drag anyone else into it.

Then, when I was twelve years old, a girl attempted to rape me. The school covered it up, despite everything my parents did. From that point on, I became more cynical, paranoid and pushed away from the female body I had begun to start hating even more as puberty progressed along. I know many of the people who read this will automatically assume “Oh, wait! That’s what made her have a gender-identity problem”. Sorry mates, while I do not deny having such a traumatic incident occur at that crucial stage of my development had an impact on my perception on myself, it is not the ultimate cause.

As an additional trauma, my Dad died at the young age of fifty-two from malpractice, leaving my forty-four year old Mom a widow and the sole provider for me and my sisters, who were fourteen and nine years of age at the time. The loss of my greatest hero made me withdrawn, bitter, cynical and far easier to vex than before. My sole consilation was that I never once felt anger towards God, only confusion and dispair. I remember pulling on my Dad’s shirt and sitting in his rocking chair after I got the news.

Though I had never said this to anyone, I considered myself the ‘son’ of the family, though at the time I reasoned I was simply just a tomboy. At sixteen, I decided enough was enough and began to research disorders, taking note of all of my unique symptoms into careful consideration. I found articles on Gender Identity Disorder and trannssexualism…then wept as I realised this was the answer I had been seeking. Unlike many who undergo the process of taking hormones and eventually obtaining SRS operations, I have no desire to remove my reproductive organs as I still want to pass on my genetics with the man I marry and I happen to love kids!!! 😃 Though I will take testosterone at some point to gain a more masculine edge to my features, the only operations I will ever undergo, permitting my health, are the masectomies. I know many mothers here may not understand how someone can desire to give children life yet remove their breasts, but I honestly see no use for them. 😊

I’m determined to remain faithful to the church, yet at the same time I continually agonize over the feelings that I was meant to be a man instead of a woman. How can I possibly ever hope to court a good Catholic man, let alone marry him and raise a family, in the knowledge that I have this gender identity disorder? I can only find the church’s views on women with gender identity disorders who are attracted to females. Again, taking into account that I am attracted to men, this information is irrelevant. Many good people in my parish have advised I pray to the Blessed Virgin for help, although that in itself is a dilemma for me. Since I have never been comfortable as a woman, I find it difficult to approach Our Lady. As I’ve gotten older, I can no longer even look at my body in the mirror without becomine ill. As much as I have tried to embrace my feminine nature, I realize this is partially due to my hermaphrodtitsm and that can never be entirely ‘fixed’. Any assistance and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Pax.
 
Have you considered talking to someone? In your post you didn’t mention whether or not you’ve sought out psychological help?

Can I suggest seeing a Catholic psychologist who can help you sort through these issues. It seems like you have a lot you need to get off your chest and work through. I think it would be beneficial to see a Catholic psychologist rather than a regular one because they will have a Catholic perspective rather than a secular one.

I read your prayer intention thread and PLEASE do not commit suicide. Although I cannot relate to what you are going through, I can just imagine how difficult it can be. Maybe this is a cross you have to carry? Pray about it A LOT and ask Jesus for help. I’m sure many people have told you this but don’t give up. You are a life and you are loved. God knows what you are going through and he will give you the strength to get through it.

I will pray for you.
 
Have you considered talking to someone? In your post you didn’t mention whether or not you’ve sought out psychological help?

Can I suggest seeing a Catholic psychologist who can help you sort through these issues. It seems like you have a lot you need to get off your chest and work through. I think it would be beneficial to see a Catholic psychologist rather than a regular one because they will have a Catholic perspective rather than a secular one. .
Honestly I would love nothing more than to see a Catholic psychologist, but I am too poor to afford the help I need. 😦

The fact that I have always been attracted to men makes my situation easier in some ways, I suppose, though I still feel like some missahapen oddity.

Thanks for the prayers, mate…I’m stitting here in my room as I type this and I just feel so hopeless right now…😊
 
Don’t give up hope!

Some psychologists will be able to help you out on a sliding scale. You should look some up in your area and find out. Even if they are not Catholic, it would probably be beneficial to see anyone just to talk out some of your traumatic experiences.

I can’t afford a psychologist either but luckily my university has free counseling. So even though it is not a Catholic psychologist, it is still a big help!

I definitely suggest looking into that.
 
Love yourself wholeheartedly (you, the person). Let love dominate your life and strive toward Catholic perfection always. Don’t allow any time for thinking about how much you hate your body anymore. Refuse to dwell on such thoughts. Pray deeply to God and deepen your relationship with him. Focus on him and not yourself. Embrace who you truly are with gentle affection and and always, always remain faithful to orthodox Church teaching. Maybe you’ll meet a nice guy at a healthclub who likes athletic-looking women. You could be the exact type of woman he’s looking for. A couple made in heaven! St. Therese of the Child Jesus did not like her body, and died a saint. Remember, in heaven you will have a body that is perfect and glorified. In the meantime you have a body you hate - a cross. Bear your cross with love and patience and carry it perfectly for the edification and conversion of souls. That way your suffering will be redemptive and you will be benefiting your soul and the souls of countless others. Hating your body could be the root of your problem - not the other stuff. Try and love your body because it is yours (even though it belongs to God) and love it because God created it. See how this changes the way you view and experience life and let us know how things work out. Peace!
 
If you have stubble on your face, like I think I read, then get rid of it. Go for electrolisis or laser hair removal. That will make you feel alright again.🙂
 
Google “Catholic Charities” and your diocese name. They will have counselors who will see you on a sliding scale.
 
A_R, I am not familiar with intersex conditions, but the advocacy group Intersex Society of North America recommends professional counseling and peer support groups for persons in your situation. I would imagine both would help immensely with feelings of isolation and being a bit lost for direction.

I realize that money is tight as a college student. Kage recommended Catholic Charities for their sliding scale fees - I don’t have any experience with them. But if you are attending a large university, they should offer professional counseling through their student medical services. I’m not familiar with smaller colleges, but perhaps they would have something similar through their student medical insurance. Or perhaps you are still covered by your family’s medical insurance?
 
Unforunatly, I am not eligible for medical insurance, so even getting a tooth worked on comes out of my family’s pocket…we’re very low income, but make just a tiny bit too much to qualify for welfare.
 
I would second the suggestion to talk to your diocesan Catholic Charities office and see what they can do to help you in this matter. That’s what they’re there for.
 
If only it were as easy as getting electrolysis… I know that person means well, but they are clearly clueless.

Regarding the state of your soul, I can’t help there. Because of ignorance and fear, neither can the majority of Catholic clergy. Mostly ignorance, not many have post-grad degrees in biology, psychology and medicine in addition to a Doctorate of Divinity. And frankly, that’s what you need.

Maybe I can give some more practical help though: try contacting OII-USA. That is Organisation Intersex International. intersexualite.org/usa.html

That web page gives contacts in different states. I know some of the people on the contact list. Prof Italiano in particular, he is a practicing Christian, and may be able to help not just with issues of the body, but the spirit as well.

One other thing I can do. I don’t do diagnoses at all, let alone from a post on a forum, but if you are one of the 10% of 46xx people with Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia who are men as the result, I can find out some specific support for that. CAH can have significant and life-threatening complications in some forms (there are many), so you really need to see an expert endocrinologist about that. 90% of CAH 46xx people are female, though with specific behavioural anomalies, but 10% are unequivocally male.

Another thing I can do. I may not be able to give comfort for your soul, but I can for your spirit. You are not alone, and it sounds like you’re not even that unusual. Many men are in your situation. And those of us who are IS in different ways (sometimes VERY different…) are here for you, to help.

The world, and the Church may not understand. We do though, and we will do whatever is necessary to help you, within the limits of our powers. Which may be stronger than you think. Not only are you a member of the fellowship of catholics, you’re a member of another fellowship too. One which may not be so hot on the theology, but has understanding and kindness, not just paying lip-service to it, but living it. We have to, it’s a survival mechanism.

I leave you to ponder on Isaiah 56:4-5.
  1. For this is what the LORD says:
    "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths,
    who choose what pleases me
    and hold fast to my covenant-
5 to them I will give within my temple and its walls
a memorial and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that will not be cut off.
If you are a practicing Christian, then you have to believe that you have been given an explicit personal promise by the Almighty. In return for trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances, in return for enduring the persecution and exclusion by the well-meaning but appallingly ignorant, you’ll get a special reward in Heaven.

The normal rules for “the sons of Adam and the daughters of Eve” do not apply, they cannot. Unlike them, you have no guidance regarding gendered conduct, other than to do what pleases God, keep the Sabbath, and hold fast to God’s covenant. It is up to you to find out for yourself what that is, because the Church remains silent on the issue.

You do have a good guide though. Because there are two commandments that everything else depends on. Follow these, and you can’t go very wrong. And if in trying to follow any of the other scriptural regulations, you find out you’re violating either of them, you’re missing the point and doing it wrong. Matthew 22:34-40:
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Love God: Be Kind.

Hugs, Zoe
 
I am borderline CAH, actually.

Thank you Zoe, you have no idea how much your post is helping me cope.
 
That’s what I’m here for.

Hugs again (and yet again, all the good ones really are married or gay, drat it! 😉 )
Zoe
 
A.R.

I understand what you are going through! There is a difference between having GID (Gender Identity Disorder) and being Intersexed. (People can have GID without being Intersexed.) You obviously have a lot of things going on… I think the first step you should take is to get a clear diagnosis of your intersex condition. From that point you can determine which options are available to you going forward. Then you should consult with a Catholic psychologist (as mentioned by others) to determine which options are in-line with Catholic teaching.

If Catholic Charities is unavailable and finances are holding you back, then I recommend that you do nothing until you are financially stable.

Be very cautious along your journey! It is too easy to get sucked into doing what our feelings are telling us to do. Our feelings are not always guiding us in the right direction…

Peace
 
in christ jesus there is neither male nor female jew nor greek slave or free. you are a child of god who loves you. peace will come to you through the great healer Jesus Christ.Seek god with all your heart mind and soul and he will provide you with all you need to be happy.If it is the will of god he will send you a husband who will love and care for you, but it will be on god’s time table. focus on healing your soul and loving your self, after all if you can not learn to love who you are how will you be able to belive another will be able to love you? I hated my body for years and when someone tried to love me I would not let them becuse I thought I was unlovable. But that is not true God loves you and the church loves you, one day you will find the peace you seek but it will take time. Pope John Paul II once said the most powerfull prayers he prayed were to the holy spirit. The spirit is powerfull enough to creat the world, raise the dead, heal the sick and give peace to those who do not have any. Let hope give you strenth becuse one day your prayers WILL BE AWNSERED.

I will pray for you my sister in christ
 
Gosh, a genuine Christian. The real deal, not just superficially. You don’t see them too often.

I wish there were more like you. And I’ll strive to follow your example. Not that I’m a Christian myself, just someone who tries to live according to 1 Corinthians 13.

God Bless, anyway.
 
I think this sums it up pretty well.

"Romans
Chapter 1

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek.
17 For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; as it is written, “The one who is righteous by faith will live.”
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
24 Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27 and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
30 and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
31 They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. "
 
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