Yoga and Catholicism

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Statue of Christ doing yoga. This is actually a monstrance.
The sacred Host is on the breast of Christ.
That picture is utterly blasphemous!
“Statue of Christ doing yoga. This is actually a monstrance.
The sacred Host is on the breast of Christ”
are not my words. I just quote it from a sspxasia.com which quoted it also from other source. Neither I nor the sspxasia.com agree with this.

Yes, I agree with you that it is a blasphemous painting under which are these words, “Statue of Christ doing yoga. This is actually a monstrance.
The sacred Host is on the breast of Christ”.
 
There is an almost identical thread on here I posted the same thought basically:
While you may not intend to partake in the Eastern spirituality of yoga, the poses are meant to offer praise the various deities. The breathing is meant to induce spiritual “highs” that connect you to these deities.
WHY would you want to be a part of that?
Rosary Crusader’s post is right on! I would add, its like wearing a pentagram as a fashion statement…

If you or someone you know is involved in yoga (oh and lets not even get into the fact that some Catholic churches offer it…ugh) don’t panic or condemn, just gently review why it is not prudent to practice something so entangled in a non-Christian spirituality.
Do Pilates instead - it has no spiritual implications, just good old-fashioned muscle groups.
 
Do Pilates instead - it has no spiritual implications, just good old-fashioned muscle groups.
I’ve done both Yoga and Pilates. I will say that I like doing Pilates more and when I wasn’t pregnant, would include Pilates in my exercise regime. Some of the Yoga dvds are a bit silly, which is why I didn’t get into it as much. I had taken a YMCA class once which had no spiritual elements in it and I would have never known it had any elements of religion. It was like just taking a Pilates class. One time I did take a Yoga class, but the guy was so much into the spiritual aspects of it, I never went again.

Pilates, I think, is just as beneficial physically, but more “German”/western in its approach, which fits better in my thought processes. It also has no origins in any kind of faith if one is concerned about that. There is still that element of deep breathing to help make your body more fluid and relaxed while doing the moves and also to help you focus better mentally.

I know many hospitals, including Catholic hospitals, teach yoga for expectant mothers to help them with their breathing while in labor and release/control of their muscles, etc. Since I haven’t taken the classes, I don’t know what they are like, but I would assume that they are much like the YMCA classes.
 
You should provide more specific information to support your claim. Can you share what, exactly, runs counter to Catholic teachings? Just naming other religions doesn’t cut it (and p.s it’s should be its in your post). Thanks.
Happy to share. Take a look here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=213068 at the references in the second post for some answers specific to Yoga.

For a discussion of Hindu Spirituality and Catholicism, see here: catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0275.html

Again, IMHO, as long as you are taking the class for exercise, it is not an issue.

In fact, there is a religious or spiritual element to almost all of the Eastern exercise practices (karate, Tae Kwan Do). It is up to YOU to know where the line is. There is nothing wrong with exercise or martial arts aimed at increasing health or improving the mind. When part of that training involves philosophy or spirituality that may be of conflict with our Catholic beliefs, we have to be strong enough to recognize it.

Just my $0.02. YMMV.
 
I posted this in the Catholic Q&A and plenty of people read it but no replies. I would like to take a Yoga class for the fitness benefits but not if it is against the Catholic church. I know it’s origins lie in the New Age. I tried to find a reliable Catholic website for the answer, but haven’t found one. Can anyone out there help?
 
This is just my opinion. So you know, I am a convert to Catholicism (10 years), very conservative and orthodox, do adoration, love the Latin mass, and follow the classic contemplative prayer tradition of St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, and others.

I’ve also done yoga off and on for years as a physical practice, both prior to my conversion to Catholicism and after becoming a Catholic, and only became aware of any controversy around it a couple of years ago. I never did it for spiritual reasons, and have never had any “spiritual” experiences because of it. I like it because it is very healthy for my body, and helps me handle stress, such as recently when I was in graduate school.

Yoga is mentioned twice in the Church’s document Jesus Christ, The Bearer of the Water of Life. The document is not about yoga per se, but about New Age spirituality. It does not discuss yoga, but simply names it as one of several things that can flow into New Age spirituality, during a discussion of aspects of such spirituality. And this is true - I’ve read many stories of people who started with yoga, and then got into New Age spirituality.

But: it also is clear from their stories that the reason why was not some magical thing about yoga that just overcame them, even when doing just the physical practice, but ignorance of their own Christian faith. In other words, they weren’t able to tell the difference between Christian and non-Christian spirituality. And today we have many Catholics who do not know their Faith well, so yoga could indeed be a danger.

On the other hand, there is a growing body of scientific literature that shows that the physical practice of yoga has clear physiological benefits that go beyond traditional Western forms of exercise. Here is the most extensive list I’ve found, that names 77 different health benefits, based on scientific studies.

So yoga has proven physical benefits - and if so then to say any and all forms of yoga are dangerous, even just the physical practice, might be bordering on the superstitious. So, the question is: Can you separate physical yoga from eastern spirituality? I think so. Some Hindus say you can’t, but their belief system has errors in it, so why believe them? And Christianity has always borrowed and adapted things from other cultures that were compatible with Christianity, never thrown things out wholesale.

The Church today teaches that we are to acknowledge what is good in other religions, and Indians have figured out some good things about how to take care of the body. There is nothing wrong or anti-Christian with that. Some Indian Catholics don’t like to do yoga, because it might lead into Hinduism. But there are other Indian Catholics who have integrated yoga successfully into a purely Catholic context, some in the Malankara rite, for example, which is in communion with Rome.

Discernment, purpose, and context are key. Why, and where, are you doing yoga? St. Paul wrote about meat sacrificed to idols, did not say “don’t eat the meat, it’s forever contaminated with evil spirits,” but “go ahead and eat the meat because they are false gods, not real, just don’t go to the temple to eat it, because then you look like you’re participating in worship of false gods. Buy it in the marketplace and take it home.” I think the same principle can apply to yoga.

I’d probably advise most Catholics first of all not to do yoga unless you know your faith well and have a good health reason for it. DON’T do it for spiritual reasons or think for one minute it has spiritual benefits, because it doesn’t. Sin is our spiritual problem, and yoga doesn’t solve that. DON’T, DON’T, do it in Church! That is silly!

If you do it, avoid yoga studios that have any kind of spiritual teaching going on. Look for a gym or class that offers just the physical practice. If you feel competent enough, you can also find DVDs made by good teachers (I have several) that avoid the spiritual stuff and focus on the physical practice. Then you can do it at home, where you have control over your environment and don’t give the appearance of practicing non-Catholic spirituality. And study your faith, get to know it better all the time! That will give you great discernment.

And if a little spiritual or philosophical stuff sneaks into a class or DVD, ignore it, laugh at it, mock it (Satan hates to be mocked). Reclaim the body for Christ, focus on the physical poses, and if you want to do something spiritual, focus on Christ, and love Him.

Some Hindu gurus say that if you don’t do the spiritual stuff along with the poses, then you’re not doing yoga. Okay, great! Then we’re just doing a healthy system of physical exercise, and it is safe. We just need to come up with a different name for it.

Again, this is just my opinion. Hope it helps.

1 Corinthians 10:25-26, 31 *Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.” … So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. *
 
I like to use the Ouija board to exercise my fingers. I’m just doing it for the physical aspect of it all & I don’t apply any spiritual meaning to it. Even though I do this by myself somehow the little pointer moves and answers questions that I’m thinking about but I just ignore that little consequence. Consent is necessary for sin and I don’t consent that the pointer move around on it’s own so it can’t be of any harm to me.
I think you took it toooo far on your reply, RosaryCrusader.

You took something most of us use as an Exercise and compared it to a Ouija board used as a spiritual communicator( seriously???) WOW…!!!
 
This is just my opinion. So you know, I am a convert to Catholicism (10 years), very conservative and orthodox, do adoration, love the Latin mass, and follow the classic contemplative prayer tradition of St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Avila, and others.

I’ve also done yoga off and on for years as a physical practice, both prior to my conversion to Catholicism and after becoming a Catholic, and only became aware of any controversy around it a couple of years ago. I never did it for spiritual reasons, and have never had any “spiritual” experiences because of it. I like it because it is very healthy for my body, and helps me handle stress, such as recently when I was in graduate school.

Yoga is mentioned twice in the Church’s document Jesus Christ, The Bearer of the Water of Life. The document is not about yoga per se, but about New Age spirituality. It does not discuss yoga, but simply names it as one of several things that can flow into New Age spirituality, during a discussion of aspects of such spirituality. And this is true - I’ve read many stories of people who started with yoga, and then got into New Age spirituality.

But: it also is clear from their stories that the reason why was not some magical thing about yoga that just overcame them, even when doing just the physical practice, but ignorance of their own Christian faith. In other words, they weren’t able to tell the difference between Christian and non-Christian spirituality. And today we have many Catholics who do not know their Faith well, so yoga could indeed be a danger.

On the other hand, there is a growing body of scientific literature that shows that the physical practice of yoga has clear physiological benefits that go beyond traditional Western forms of exercise. Here is the most extensive list I’ve found, that names 77 different health benefits, based on scientific studies.

So yoga has proven physical benefits - and if so then to say any and all forms of yoga are dangerous, even just the physical practice, might be bordering on the superstitious. So, the question is: Can you separate physical yoga from eastern spirituality? I think so. Some Hindus say you can’t, but their belief system has errors in it, so why believe them? And Christianity has always borrowed and adapted things from other cultures that were compatible with Christianity, never thrown things out wholesale.

The Church today teaches that we are to acknowledge what is good in other religions, and Indians have figured out some good things about how to take care of the body. There is nothing wrong or anti-Christian with that. Some Indian Catholics don’t like to do yoga, because it might lead into Hinduism. But there are other Indian Catholics who have integrated yoga successfully into a purely Catholic context, some in the Malankara rite, for example, which is in communion with Rome.

Discernment, purpose, and context are key. Why, and where, are you doing yoga? St. Paul wrote about meat sacrificed to idols, did not say “don’t eat the meat, it’s forever contaminated with evil spirits,” but “go ahead and eat the meat because they are false gods, not real, just don’t go to the temple to eat it, because then you look like you’re participating in worship of false gods. Buy it in the marketplace and take it home.” I think the same principle can apply to yoga.

I’d probably advise most Catholics first of all not to do yoga unless you know your faith well and have a good health reason for it. DON’T do it for spiritual reasons or think for one minute it has spiritual benefits, because it doesn’t. Sin is our spiritual problem, and yoga doesn’t solve that. DON’T, DON’T, do it in Church! That is silly!

If you do it, avoid yoga studios that have any kind of spiritual teaching going on. Look for a gym or class that offers just the physical practice. If you feel competent enough, you can also find DVDs made by good teachers (I have several) that avoid the spiritual stuff and focus on the physical practice. Then you can do it at home, where you have control over your environment and don’t give the appearance of practicing non-Catholic spirituality. And study your faith, get to know it better all the time! That will give you great discernment.

And if a little spiritual or philosophical stuff sneaks into a class or DVD, ignore it, laugh at it, mock it (Satan hates to be mocked). Reclaim the body for Christ, focus on the physical poses, and if you want to do something spiritual, focus on Christ, and love Him.

Some Hindu gurus say that if you don’t do the spiritual stuff along with the poses, then you’re not doing yoga. Okay, great! Then we’re just doing a healthy system of physical exercise, and it is safe. We just need to come up with a different name for it.

Again, this is just my opinion. Hope it helps.

1 Corinthians 10:25-26, 31 *Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For “the earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.” … So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. *
I really enjoyed your post, I totally agree with you, Thanks! 🙂
 
I’ve seen lists of health benefits for Reiki as well. And all sorts of New Age practices.

But do health benefits outweigh taking up the movements of worship of a religion not of God, to put it only lightly?

Does it please God to see you go through these motions?

And why are there health benefits? Because people relax and stretch. So… do other relaxing and stretching exercises than Yogo, simple.

But if there are health benefits due to spiritual energies… then you have a problem.

And why in fact is it being brought into and associated with the Church at all? Isn’t there something… odd about that? When there are so many other things people could be getting together to do through the Church… they do… this?

Hmm?
 
I do Yoga! Actually not the way you might think. I actually do some extreme workouts, i.e. weight lifts, boxing, & others, and do yoga (sometimes) at the end.

What I do is do some stretching with eyes closed and do breathing techniques (this helps my muslces stretch reduced my stress levels significantly, and has improved the pain I suffer from pinched nerves) when i breath in I meditate on the Holy Spirit entering me and giving me grace to overcome stress and pain. I may also pray a Rosary during this time. I do all this while listening to Gregorian Chant. I do not use this as a replacement for the Mass or the Sacraments. But God should be in our daily lives, not just on Sundays. So I choose to include Him and His graces where ever I go, including my excersice.
 
I like to use the Ouija board to exercise my fingers. I’m just doing it for the physical aspect of it all & I don’t apply any spiritual meaning to it. Even though I do this by myself somehow the little pointer moves and answers questions that I’m thinking about but I just ignore that little consequence. Consent is necessary for sin and I don’t consent that the pointer move around on it’s own so it can’t be of any harm to me.
How do you compate this to an excersise? IMHO too many people judge things before UNDERSTANDING things. I am not a promoter of Yoga, but our Faith has borrowed practices from other religions as well. We are not the only ones with prayer beads (Rosary) you know? God give us these bodies and as we should nurish our souls, so should we take care of our bodies, because they are temples of the Holy Ghost.
 
But do health benefits outweigh taking up the movements of worship of a religion not of God, to put it only lightly?
By your reasoning, we should all be vegetarians because animals were sacrificed to false gods and meat eaten in the temples - as I pointed out in my previous post. Oh, wait, Yogis are vegetarians, so we can’t do that either! Might mix us up in their spirituality! Guess we can’t eat at all, because eating has been associated with false worship at some time or other all over the world.
And why are there health benefits? Because people relax and stretch. So… do other relaxing and stretching exercises than Yogo, simple.
Yoga stretches are so extensive, thousands of them, it would be impossible to find stretches that don’t also appear in yoga. So by your reasoning we can’t stretch at all, might get us caught up in idolatry.
But if there are health benefits due to spiritual energies… then you have a problem.
That is where spiritual discernment comes in, and where some might prefer to just avoid yoga altogether. But also where superstition can come in, if we really believe that doing a stretch regardless of what we believe about it can cause us to become idolaters.

Look, I think this is one of those areas where, until the Church has spoken more clearly, we are free to disagree about whether even just the physical practice of yoga is inconsistent with Catholicism. If you do it, be prudent about where and how you do it - and take the Church’s cautions about New Age spirituality to heart, know your Catholic Faith well, so you can tell the difference.
 
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