Yom Kippur, Jewish & Jehovah Witnesses

[andrewstx]

I agree with the previous two posters. Besides, the animal sacrifice itself was meaningless for atonement even in the days of the Temple if not incorporated into a prayer ceremony, and it did not atone for sins against one’s fellow man, only for those directly against G-d, and mainly for intentional sins rather than for those which we might not be aware of.

I had no idea JW’s “celebrate” Yom Kippur.

I was not aware of that either, but I know that several Jewish/Christian hybrid cults to keep the Jewish calendar to the exclusion of Christian feasts and fasts.

All the cults that have risen after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong follow only the Jewish calendar, so do many of the messianic “Jewish” groups.

And I am sure the followers of the really out there “Pastor Murray”.

 

[andrewstx]

I think that Hasidim are very small in the US, but popular in Isreal.

I have read no statistics, but I feel that most Jews here are Reform or Conservative, with Orthodox coming in third.

I read and used to collect the works of Chaim Potok, but I don’t think that Hassdim is the usual form of Yiddishkeit.

But I live in the southwest where Jews of any kind are rare. I am sure it is different in NYC.

 

[meltzerboy]

I think that Hasidim are very small in the US, but popular in Isreal.

I have read no statistics, but I feel that most Jews here are Reform or Conservative, with Orthodox coming in third.

I read and used to collect the works of Chaim Potok, but I don’t think that Hassdim is the usual form of Yiddishkeit.

But I live in the southwest where Jews of any kind are rare. I am sure it is different in NYC.

I don’t know the exact statistics but have read that Orthodox Jews, including Hasidim as well as Traditional and Modern Orthodox, are increasing in numbers, whereas Reform Jews are decreasing. I’m not sure about the current state of Conservative Judaism. Yes, NYC has a comparatively large Jewish population of diverse movements.

 

[meltzerboy]

On the death of the Good High Priest Shimon Ha’tzaddik the occurrence of these miracles you have mentioned became sporadic, meaning the lot for L’Ha shem would turn on the right hand of the High priest or the scarlet ribbon turning white at irregular intervals from year to year. There were some years when these miraculous signs occurred, and there were other years when they did not. It is unclear how many times God really did accepted the temple sacrifice on Yom Kippur during these periods. But I think God chose to do these things to drive a point, especially when the last 40 years of the Second temple started right after Jesus death on the cross.

This put me into thinking, what were the odds that God would reject those sacrifices for forty years straight? The probability of having the same result forty times is simply mind-boggling.

By the way, *L’Shanah Tovah *to you and all our Jewish friends on CAF.

Thank you for your kind wishes.

 

[andrewstx]

Meltzerboy: would you have any idea how many reconstructionists are around now?

I the city I used to live in there is one temple that combines conservative and reform, people drive long distances to even get to it.

Really around here Orthodox would starve, unless they could survive on Hebrew National franks and cold cuts.

The nearest kosher butcher is 400 miles away. I remember seeing people from temple eating shrimp and they had no idea that is a big no-no.

 

[meltzerboy]

Meltzerboy: would you have any idea how many reconstructionists are around now?

I the city I used to live in there is one temple that combines conservative and reform, people drive long distances to even get to it.

Really around here Orthodox would starve, unless they could survive on Hebrew National franks and cold cuts.

The nearest kosher butcher is 400 miles away. I remember seeing people from temple eating shrimp and they had no idea that is a big no-no.

I really couldn’t tell you how many Reconstructionist Jews there are. It’s one of the newest movements in Judaism and not that dissimilar from Reform Judaism. I imagine an Orthodox Jew would have to be vegetarian or vegan to live in your region, and they should not relocate there in the first place if they can help it. I’m sure any Jew who goes to temple would know that shrimp is non-kosher, including Reform Jews such as myself. Whether or not they choose to follow the dietary laws is another issue.

 

[Regardless]

When, Why, How did the Jewish go from sacrificing animals on the alter to Yom Kimppur.

Why do the Jehovah Witnesses celebrate yom kippur?

Hello.

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Yom Kippur. (I had never heard of it and had to look it up to see what it was)

What made you think we do?

We only celebrate / commemorate the death of Jesus Christ. At Luke 22:19 he said: “keep doing this in remembrance of me.”

All the best.

 

[504Katrin]

I don’t want to get into it again but just saying that Lawd knows why Christians simply disregard and totally ignore the commandment of Yom Kippur for instance that was clearly and unmistakingly given to us by no other than G’d himself. But oh well… I will ask the Priest when I see him…

 

[YKohen]

I don’t want to get into it again but just saying that Lawd knows why Christians simply disregard and totally ignore the commandment of Yom Kippur for instance that was clearly and unmistakingly given to us by no other than G’d himself. But oh well… I will ask the Priest when I see him…

Why would non-Jews have to keep the commandments of Yom Kippur?

 

[504Katrin]

Why would non-Jews have to keep the commandments of Yom Kippur?

Had G’d not meant all people to share a loving relationship with him through his commandments, wouldn’t the ability to see rainbows be confined to the Jewish people only?

 

[YKohen]

Had G’d not meant all people to share a loving relationship with him through his commandments, wouldn’t the ability to see rainbows be confined to the Jewish people only?

Of course not! In fact, the first rainbow of the Bible was specifically with Noah, the post-flood father of ALL mankind.

The Jewish belief is that while we are obligated to uphold the 613 commandments of the Torah, if everyone else just upholds these 7 comandments, they are in a full loving relationship with G-d. They are holy. They are saintly. And they have a full share in the world-to-come.

Think it’s odd? I’m having an argument elsewhere about this story:

South Florida Man Dies After Winning Live Roach-Eating Contest

I think it’s barbaric and cruel on so many levels, and some others don’t.

BTW- I’ll try to get back to you tomorrow.

 

[504Katrin]

Of course not! In fact, the first rainbow of the Bible was specifically with Noah, the post-flood father of ALL mankind.

The Jewish belief is that while we are obligated to uphold the 613 commandments of the Torah, if everyone else just upholds these 7 comandments, they are in a full loving relationship with G-d. They are holy. They are saintly. And they have a full share in the world-to-come.

Think it’s odd? I’m having an argument elsewhere about this story:

South Florida Man Dies After Winning Live Roach-Eating Contest

I think it’s barbaric and cruel on so many levels, and some others don’t.

BTW- I’ll try to get back to you tomorrow.

Excuse my possible ignorance hence my approach that might seem naive, but I’m actually I’m very concerned about this issue, so here goes…

they are in a full loving relationship with G-d

If you say this I won’t doubt it one second, but I don’t understand it. I can only conclude that Jews that have 611 commandments more, consequently have 611 more possibilities to connect with our L’rd.
If you’re married, let me ask you another question please. If you know that it makes your wife happy to eat out at a certain restaurant, wouldn’t you take her there? And if flowers make her happy, would you not try to make her happy and buy her flowers also? When you say that Christians are only required to uphold 7 commandments, while Jews happily uphold all 613, it looks to me as if I was supposed to take her to the restaurant, but the flowers aren’t included as they’re not really “necessary” in order to show my love?

I’ll read the other thread later, thanks for the link

 

[YKohen]

Excuse my possible ignorance hence my approach that might seem naive, but I’m actually I’m very concerned about this issue, so here goes…

Gimme a break. You’re more on the ball than almost anyone I know.

If you say this I won’t doubt it one second, but I don’t understand it. I can only conclude that Jews that have 611 commandments more, consequently have 611 more possibilities to connect with our L’rd.

Is it about quantity or quality? If G-d says that 7 is enough (and within those 7 are many sub-sections), then 7 is enough. But for the Jews, we have 613. Of course, not all 613 are for every person. In fact, no single person is obligated in all. Some are just for the king, just for the high priest, just for the Levites, just for men, just for women, etc.

For us, if each does what he/she should, then we live in a perfect world, and if each tries- even failing along the way, then we’re on our way.

 

[504Katrin]

Gimme a break. You’re more on the ball than almost anyone I know.

Is it about quantity or quality? If G-d says that 7 is enough (and within those 7 are many sub-sections), then 7 is enough. But for the Jews, we have 613. Of course, not all 613 are for every person. In fact, no single person is obligated in all. Some are just for the king, just for the high priest, just for the Levites, just for men, just for women, etc.

For us, if each does what he/she should, then we live in a perfect world, and if each tries- even failing along the way, then we’re on our way.

mmhhhh…true. Thank you