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Before electricity was invented, churches relied on the sun and candles. A poor parish could always forego the lighting and use the extra money for something elseI admit, I was sorta sharp in my rant.) I just get tired of these ridiculous videos. There are completely taken out of context. I know nothing about this dance, it’s meaning etc. I know nothing about why the Bishop was there, I know nothing about the economics of said parish, it could be in a very poor section of town and perhaps the lighting is all they could afford when they built the Church. I can’t believe I have to defend lighting in a Church. Who the heck are we to say they were not being holy enough? That’s the theme I’m reading in here. It just doesn’t seem very charitable to me. For those who are sitting in horror, I’m sorry you feel this way. I think you are judging too quickly the situation. You cannot know enough about a parish and intentions by one short video.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t even notice the lighting. I’ll let those who did argue about it.
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I also fail to see why it matters whether it happened during Mass or not. Why should secular or profane things be allowed to happen in a holy place at any time of day? Why does it matter whether Mass is going on?
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It does not matter if it was a Mass or if it was done in the USA
I think it was a Eucharistic Procession of some kind…
In any event- why do we not care about the catholics all over the world and only worry about american catholics?
I worry about how the Eucharist is being handled all over the world, and if some dont see the Church as universal than I dont know what to say.
Then, there really is not much one can say to that is there?
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wynd
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Sorry, what I meant was: I fail to see why it matters. I forgot some words
and edited my post to correct it.
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Hellisreal
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I understand!Sorry, what I meant was: I fail to see why it matters. I forgot some words
And I agree with you.
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Manfred
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Thank you, wynd! At least someone else besides me thinks there is something altogether wrong with that church’s “ambience”.
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THE SPIRIT OF THE LITURGY, by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
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Dancing is not a form of expression for the Christian liturgy. In about the third century, there was an attempt in certain Gnostic-Docetic circles to introduce it into the liturgy. For these people, the Crucifixion was only an appearance. . . . Dancing could take the place of the liturgy of the Cross, because, after all, the Cross was only an appearance. The cultic dances of the different religions have different purposes - incantation, imitative magic, mystical ecstasy - none of which is compatible with the essential purpose of the liturgy as the “reasonable sacrifice”. It is totally absurd to try to make the liturgy “attractive” by introducing dancing pantomimes (wherever possible performed by professional dance troupes), which frequently (and rightly, from the professionals’ point of view) end with applause. Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attraction fades quickly - it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.
None of the Christian rites include dancing. What people call dancing in the Ethiopian rite or the Zairean [Congolese] form of the Roman liturgy is in fact a rhythmically ordered procession, very much in keeping with the dignity of the occasion. It provides an inner discipline and order for the various stages of the liturgy, bestowing on them beauty and, above all, making them worthy of God.
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Dancing is not a form of expression for the Christian liturgy. In about the third century, there was an attempt in certain Gnostic-Docetic circles to introduce it into the liturgy. For these people, the Crucifixion was only an appearance. . . . Dancing could take the place of the liturgy of the Cross, because, after all, the Cross was only an appearance. The cultic dances of the different religions have different purposes - incantation, imitative magic, mystical ecstasy - none of which is compatible with the essential purpose of the liturgy as the “reasonable sacrifice”. It is totally absurd to try to make the liturgy “attractive” by introducing dancing pantomimes (wherever possible performed by professional dance troupes), which frequently (and rightly, from the professionals’ point of view) end with applause. Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attraction fades quickly - it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.
None of the Christian rites include dancing. What people call dancing in the Ethiopian rite or the Zairean [Congolese] form of the Roman liturgy is in fact a rhythmically ordered procession, very much in keeping with the dignity of the occasion. It provides an inner discipline and order for the various stages of the liturgy, bestowing on them beauty and, above all, making them worthy of God.
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benedictgal
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Enough said. Ditto to everything the Holy Father wrote.
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scylla
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We all know what that ambience is but no one wants to say it…Thank you, wynd! At least someone else besides me thinks there is something altogether wrong with that church’s “ambience”.
I had a teenager tell me at a Mass that we were at during the Congress in Los Angeles…
“thats so G-Y”
When you have people dancing around like they are fairies, it is safe to assume they are fairies or just are taken in by them"
Granted they were trying to be more African, but it was still something that belongs on “Whose Line is it Anyway”.
I give them 1000 points for being stupid and irrelevant to the Catholic Faith. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WhoseLine02.png%between%
(if I wanted African Dancing I would go to a show where they performed it and it would be much more entertaining instead of just disgusting as done in this Church)
God Bless
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The purpose of a church is worship (offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) and prayer, not entertainment. If the parish wished to entertain the bishop with a dance number or concert, it should have been held in the parish hall. The focus of people in a church should be the Sacrifice on the Altar and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Tabernacle, not entertainers. My former parish, which unfortunately is closing tomorrow, has this inscription near the door: Haec est domus Domini (This is the house of the Lord).
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anamchara;2884407:
such a thing as being so open-minded, so tolerant, so politically-correct, that one’s brains fall out.
wow, you people got a bit jumpy in here.a poster came in here and said the African dance would have been ok if it was outside somewhere and not inside. I was pointing out that this last U-Tube video linked was in a different country AND not during a Mass. And a few people can’t figure out how that might be different
scary.
I still hold that it looked to me that the people dancing were filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit. It was some sort of adoration in a different country. We may not understand their culture. I also still hold that we should not sit in judgment when we don’t have all the facts. And we never do with this stupid U-Tube videos. It is uncharitable in my opinion. I think the Church teaches us something on this
There is such a thing as being so brain washed, so unquestionably indoctrinated that the spewing forth of bumper sticker arguments is mistaken for intelligent debate.
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Manfred;2889420:
There’s a story, whether apocryphal or not, that claims when China was “opening itself” to the world, some of the Catholics there who had been in hiding were still attending the TLM, and could not believe that Mass was now permitted in the vernacular, and ad populum. Wouldn’t they just * * something like this “event”?wow, you people got a bit jumpy in here.
I still hold that it looked to me that the people dancing were filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit. It was some sort of adoration in a different country. We may not understand their culture. I also still hold that we should not sit in judgment when we don’t have all the facts. And we never do with this stupid U-Tube videos. It is uncharitable in my opinion. I think the Church teaches us something on this
There is such a thing as being so brain washed, so unquestionably indoctrinated that the spewing forth of bumper sticker arguments is mistaken for intelligent debate.
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