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I was wondering what each of us - Catholic and Non-Catholic think of your relationship between you and those Holy Souls in Heaven.
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I always think this is a funny sticking point for Protestants because of this:
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Damascus
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Church Triumphant.
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mommyof4
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I pester the saints a lot. Especially St. Francis and St. Anthony (I loose a lot of things around here).
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McKevin
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I’m the only one who voted for #2, so far. If we “needed them”, if we didn’t “only need God”, then the thief on the cross would be in hell and so would a lot of other people who know Christ but don’t pray to the saints.
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I’m the only one who voted for #2, so far. If we "needed them", if we didn’t “only need God”, then the thief on the cross would be in hell and so would a lot of other people who know Christ but don’t pray to the saints.
St. Dismus has no place in your argument. He repented and turned to Christ in the last moments of his life.
So You advocate being lawless until the last moment of your life?
How does this prove anything may I ask?
Only need God. Not our sisters and brothers as well. Why? Is it because THey are dead and can not hear us. ???Or because you dont believe in heaven?
Where is St. Dismus now? HA HA HA. Hardly dead is he?
He is my brother just as much as you, even more so since I know where he is now.
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Damascus,St. Dismus has no place in your argument. He repented and turned to Christ in the last moments of his life.
So You advocate being lawless until the last moment of your life?
How does this prove anything may I ask?
Only need God. Not our sisters and brothers as well. Why? Is it because THey are dead and can not hear us. ???
Where is St. Dismus now? HA HA HA. Hardly dead is he?
He is my brother just as much as you, even more so since I know where he is now.
My position is that the thief on the cross (St. Dismus? - I’m a newbie to the faith and didn’t know his name) did not need to know the saints…most of the saints we pray to did not even exist then. The thief on the cross only needed to trust in Jesus, and so do we.
As for heaven, one of my favorite scriptures is Philippians 3:20 and my absolutely favorite hymn is “When We All Get To Heaven”
“But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we also await a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
library.timelesstruths.org/music/When_We_All_Get_to_Heaven/
I believe praying to the saints is beneficial but not needed for salvation.
BTW, I like your screen name…it reminds me of Saul’s encounter on the road to Damascus!
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The Church Triumphant + The Church Suffering + The Church Militent = The Communion Of Saints. See my signature
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Isn’t it so sad to realize how much those saints in Heaven are praying and looking after us, and we down here are thinking that we don’t need them.
If you think you never need your family, then never ask your family members to pray for you when you are in trouble. Why bother to ask your brothers and friends to pray for you if you say you don’t need them?
Why do you think those saints in Heaven are dead and can’t hear your prayer if God says He is God of the Living not of the Dead? Are you implying that He is your God and not of those Holy Saints in Heaven?
God want us to love each other. In a family, we care for us. Remember that we have not only a family on Earth but a big family in Heaven.
God creates us to love one another. Those non-catholic Christians believe that we are, while on earth, considering ourselves saints, yet we have no relationship with those in Heaven.
If Jesus is the tree and we are branch, then what those Holy Saints in Heaven are? Aren’t they branches also? I am sure they are. If they are branches, how could one say we don’t need them?
I hate to say this but I believe that some non-Catholic - not because they think the Bible does not say this say that but with big pride - they don’t see their relationship with those in Heaven. God want us to love one another - I am sure He never excludes those Saints in Heaven.
If you think you never need your family, then never ask your family members to pray for you when you are in trouble. Why bother to ask your brothers and friends to pray for you if you say you don’t need them?
Why do you think those saints in Heaven are dead and can’t hear your prayer if God says He is God of the Living not of the Dead? Are you implying that He is your God and not of those Holy Saints in Heaven?
God want us to love each other. In a family, we care for us. Remember that we have not only a family on Earth but a big family in Heaven.
God creates us to love one another. Those non-catholic Christians believe that we are, while on earth, considering ourselves saints, yet we have no relationship with those in Heaven.
If Jesus is the tree and we are branch, then what those Holy Saints in Heaven are? Aren’t they branches also? I am sure they are. If they are branches, how could one say we don’t need them?
I hate to say this but I believe that some non-Catholic - not because they think the Bible does not say this say that but with big pride - they don’t see their relationship with those in Heaven. God want us to love one another - I am sure He never excludes those Saints in Heaven.
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OK, I thought about it and Saul ran in to Jesus on the road to Damascus, not a saint.
So what’s your point?
God Bless you,
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Damascus
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You meditate by Evelyn Wood?
Um, are you insinuating Paul is not a saint?
You will miss it the way you are knocking on the door. You must truly wish to seek, pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you, meditate and …
Think about Paul and his journey. Dont look for obvious answers, just re trace who he wrote to, what his role was, how it all came about, and what he did -
I could go into specifics, but I want YOU to come to him without MY quoting scripture at you, which I think results in missing the big picture (not to mention a derailment of the thread)
Think about Paul tonight, I will pray for you as well. I know you will see it.
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McKevin
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You will miss it the way you are knocking on the door. You must truly wish to seek, pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you, meditate and …
Think about Paul and his journey. Dont look for obvious answers, just re trace who he wrote to, what his role was, how it all came about, and what he did -
I could go into specifics, but I want YOU to come to him without MY quoting scripture at you, which I think results in missing the big picture (not to mention a derailment of the thread)
Think about Paul tonight, I will pray for you as well. I know you will see it.
You are really killing me…who is Evelyn Wood? Also, it was Saul (not yet St. Paul) on the Road to Damascus and he met Jesus! His salvation was in Christ and so is mine.
As far as Paul and his journey, I’m lost…if you have scripture that you want to share without de-railing the thread then please send me a personal message…otherwise there is no way I am going to follow your lead.
Thx!
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mommyof4
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Thanks! It is our barn with the Christmas lights on it taken last year! My daughter helped me with the other graphics.Beautiful photo!!!
I love it!
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McKevin
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Thanks for your observation. However, your presumption is wrong. I do have communion with the saints.
But I believe that those who don’t either (1) have the opportunity or (2) don’t understand the necessity (like protestants), that they can still receive salvation like the thief on the cross did! That’s why I say that a person doesn’t *need *this…
Peace!
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