you are not welcome here...

[jedi]

i think the priest is correct. i support him, because sometime my parish priest also said the same thing…

what wrong with that?? he only doing his job.
pro abortion is evil…

• barack obama is pro abortion rite… Haha…*
  u guys know what to do next rite…

 

[palmas85]

for the past few years, we have had a “traditionalist” pastor (we have had an NO mass followed by a TLM every Sunday for decades). our parish is very conservative, but he has made some changes that have driven away some members of the church, and when they complained to the bishop, our traditionalist priest got up in a homily and said “shame on you” and totally railed against the people who complained. this past Sunday he was speaking about pro-abortion politicians and those that support them, and while i agree that they are in a serious state of sin, he said they “were not welcome at this communion rail”. i am conservative, but i am not a fan of the EF or traditionalism in general, and i find his attitude very disturbing. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and this traditionalist priest follows the same attitude i see from almost all traditionalists i have ever met, the “holier/better than thou”, “we don’t want your kind around here” attitude which only acts to separate people. how can he stand up there and say that some people are not welcome? these people who support abortion should refrain from communion, sure, but how can he say they are not welcome? why not invite them to confession, invite them to informational meetings, invite them back to Christ and a state of grace? invite them to anything, but don’t shut the door on them! this kind of attitude only drives people AWAY from Christ. shame on him, and i pray that Christ doesn’t say to him “you are not welcome here” when his time comes.

Having waded through this thread, quite an undertaking actually, I have a question that I think bears directly on the opinion that the OP has of the Pastor. I am really surprised that no one has asked it.

The OP said tha6t this Priest had made a number of changes which apparently upset some of the Parishners, unstated how many, to the point that some left and others, possibly the same ones complained to the Bishop.

What were the changes?

I haven’t seen that issue addressed and I think it probably is at least mildly important to the opinion the OP has of the Pastor.

 

[Unitas]

saying “you are not welcome here” shows a bad attitude, and is incorrect.

You’re right it’s incorrect, because that is not what you originally said that he said. You said that they are not welcome at the communion rail, not the Church. Are you shifting the goalposts now?

At least talk about what he actually said and not just make something up just to knock it down.

 

[palmas85]

Come on Dang, what were the changes the Priest made that upset the parishners? A highly relevent question I think that needs to be answered so we can have a fair and balanced view of what has transpired.

 

[Nordar]

Come on Dang, what were the changes the Priest made that upset the parishners? A highly relevent question I think that needs to be answered so we can have a fair and balanced view of what has transpired.

I think Dang has left the building!

 

[GladCatholic]

Yes! Where are you Dang? Now that someone pointed out, I too am very curious as to what changes the priest made that triggered the exodus and complaints to the Bishop…inquiring minds want to know!

Glad

 

[palmas85]

Hello Dang, where are you??

We have spent 12 pages on this thread, all apparently for nothing because you won’t share with us what the horrific changes were that the Priest made in the first place that caused the exodus from the Parish, the notification to the Bishop and the tirade in the homily.

Quite frankly Dang, I am starting to get just a tad suspicious of your motives for posting this thread at all.

Please help us out. I am making my last appeal, Dang.

Please let us know what this Priest changed that was so bad.

Otherwise your silence would seem to show that this thread was just another attack on traditional Priests in particular and traditional Catholics in general.

And I really don’t want to believe that Dang. I really don’t.

 

[BSHoop96]

Hello Dang, where are you??

We have spent 12 pages on this thread, all apparently for nothing because you won’t share with us what the horrific changes were that the Priest made in the first place that caused the exodus from the Parish, the notification to the Bishop and the tirade in the homily.

Quite frankly Dang, I am starting to get just a tad suspicious of your motives for posting this thread at all.

Please help us out. I am making my last appeal, Dang.

Please let us know what this Priest changed that was so bad.

Otherwise your silence would seem to show that this thread was just another attack on traditional Priests in particular and traditional Catholics in general.

And I really don’t want to believe that Dang. I really don’t.

I think you’re taking this a little too personally. I doubt Dang woke up that morning, listened to the priest, and said “gee, I think I’ll go “attack” some Traditional Catholics.” He’s also probably a little too touchy and just got mad at the priest for doing his job and daring to scold them. He found out most people on here don’t side with him…so he left. Let’s not make it more than it is.

 

[palmas85]

I think you’re taking this a little too personally. I doubt Dang woke up that morning, listened to the priest, and said “gee, I think I’ll go “attack” some Traditional Catholics.” He’s also probably a little too touchy and just got mad at the priest for doing his job and daring to scold them. He found out most people on here don’t side with him…so he left. Let’s not make it more than it is.

I was actually kind of hoping that he would rise to the challenge and let us know what was really troubling him about the Priest.

Oh well:shrug:

c’est la vie:thumbsup:

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Sounds as though he’s gone a bit overboard. That’s what happens when people transform Christianity into a political cause.

Is it actually possible you read the whole thread before you posted this???

 

[pnewton]

I think you’re taking this a little too personally. I doubt Dang woke up that morning, listened to the priest, and said "gee,…

I think you are probably correct. I heard a saying today that tempers my response to people at work. “Never assume malice when stupidity is a simpler answer.”
I am not calling the OP stupid, but rather that in this case he made an all too human mistake of rash judgement.

Yet I have to agree with palmas that to throw out this situation with all the negativity of the OP and then not answer any question to clarity the situation a little bit leaves everyone else either scratching their heads or blindly exchanging barbs in ignorance.

 

[mm3861]

for the past few years, we have had a “traditionalist” pastor (we have had an NO mass followed by a TLM every Sunday for decades). our parish is very conservative, but he has made some changes that have driven away some members of the church, and when they complained to the bishop, our traditionalist priest got up in a homily and said “shame on you” and totally railed against the people who complained. this past Sunday he was speaking about pro-abortion politicians and those that support them, and while i agree that they are in a serious state of sin, he said they “were not welcome at this communion rail”. i am conservative, but i am not a fan of the EF or traditionalism in general, and i find his attitude very disturbing. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, and this traditionalist priest follows the same attitude i see from almost all traditionalists i have ever met, the “holier/better than thou”, “we don’t want your kind around here” attitude which only acts to separate people. how can he stand up there and say that some people are not welcome? these people who support abortion should refrain from communion, sure, but how can he say they are not welcome? why not invite them to confession, invite them to informational meetings, invite them back to Christ and a state of grace? invite them to anything, but don’t shut the door on them! this kind of attitude only drives people AWAY from Christ. shame on him, and i pray that Christ doesn’t say to him “you are not welcome here” when his time comes.

The evils of abortion exceeds even that of Adolph Hitler. To invite unrepentant abortionists to the Mass is like inviting Satan himself into God’s house of worship. We need more priests like him to take a stand!

 

[Jacob_Fenton]

Whoa-whoa-whoa! Hold on, guys. I highly doubt the original poster was advocating abortion or unrepentant people taking communion at all.

I think the point this poster was trying to make was that this “traditionalist” priest used harsh language in place of loving welcome. I agree completely that rather than chase someone away from wrong, we should invite them to right.

Or, is it better to get up in front of the damned and tell them they are all going to Hell because they are sinners? Much rather, we should get up in front of the sinners and tell them of the love and mercy of Jesus Christ.

Are we preaching judgment? Or are we preaching Faith, Hope, and Love? Judgment is a big part of God’s plan but it’s not the only part and it SURE ISN’T the focus nor our great commission. What is there to hope for when an angry priest expresses only his annoyed dissatisfaction for sinners above the Good News of salvation?

THAT, I think, is what the original poster was trying to express.

 

[latin_rite]

. Christ came to reconcile the world to Himself, .

Yes. Jesus did come to reconcile us to himself. And to do that we have to follow his law. that was part of the deal. to follow him meant doing things his way. not just all. “yeah man lets all do what ever we want.cause hey Jesus is a really nice guy who’ll probably let our sins slide anyway.” And even though Jesus wants us to go to heaven and be together. He would also rebuke those who didn’t follow his teachings or only followed the bits that they were comfortable with. Jesus wasn’t someone who minced his words. he would tell them straight. I’m sure Jesus isolated a few people in his time with his rebukes. but he did it none the less. cause if he played mambe bambe with Gods law, then a lot of people would have left this earth in a state of sin. I guess Jesus thought ones mortal soul was worth saving. even if meant a few hurt feelings along the way.

 

[KingAlfred]

Is it actually possible you read the whole thread before you posted this???

Sarcasm aside…I was alluding to the tendency of many Catholics to permit the abortion issue to hijack their lives, including of course their better judgment.

 

[GladCatholic]

I think the point this poster was trying to make was that this “traditionalist” priest used harsh language in place of loving welcome. I agree completely that rather than chase someone away from wrong, we should invite them to right.THAT, I think, is what the original poster was trying to express.

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Curious…What is a “traditionalist” priest? Either you or dang are welcome to answer–and what in that adjective do you find so offensive? Because dang just danged darned don’t want to disclose what that “traditionalist” priest did to drive away in droves these parishioners…How do you know he used harsh language? Dang ain’t talkin’–seems folks just don’t like to feel squirmy in their seats about something that makes them uncomfortable. I’m beginning to doubt the “conservatism” (and I think he meant orthodoxy) of that particular parish, after reading 12 pages of the thread and still having no information on what makes this priest a dasterdly “traditionalist.”

And don’t jump on me regarding my thoughts on the parish’s orthodoxy when others with absolutely NO knowlefdge of what really happened (since dang still ain’t talkin’) jump to conclusions about a priest that seems only to be doing what he’s supposed to.

Glad

 

[Nordar]

Whoa-whoa-whoa! Hold on, guys. I highly doubt the original poster was advocating abortion or unrepentant people taking communion at all.

I think the point this poster was trying to make was that this “traditionalist” priest used harsh language in place of loving welcome. I agree completely that rather than chase someone away from wrong, we should invite them to right.

Or, is it better to get up in front of the damned and tell them they are all going to Hell because they are sinners? Much rather, we should get up in front of the sinners and tell them of the love and mercy of Jesus Christ.

Are we preaching judgment? Or are we preaching Faith, Hope, and Love? Judgment is a big part of God’s plan but it’s not the only part and it SURE ISN’T the focus nor our great commission. What is there to hope for when an angry priest expresses only his annoyed dissatisfaction for sinners above the Good News of salvation?

THAT, I think, is what the original poster was trying to express.

Amazing how you know not only what the original poster was trying to express but also that the “Traditionalist” Priest was using harsh language.

The Priest got up in front of the damned and told them they were all going to Hell? He did?

 

[maggiemay2u]

Sarcasm aside…I was alluding to the tendency of many Catholics to permit the abortion issue to hijack their lives, including of course their better judgment.

Hijack their lives. Hmmmmm…would that be the same way Americans have allowed the lives of millions of children to be hijacked for the sake of expediency? Or maybe the way Churchill allowed his better judgment to be hijacked causing him to lose political favor when preaching about that pesky little Austrian?

What exactly would better judgment be, in your opinion?

 

[BSHoop96]

I was actually kind of hoping that he would rise to the challenge and let us know what was really troubling him about the Priest.

Oh well:shrug:

c’est la vie:thumbsup:

Actually I was interested to hear that also.

 

[BSHoop96]

I think you are probably correct. I heard a saying today that tempers my response to people at work. **“Never assume malice when stupidity is a simpler answer.”**I am not calling the OP stupid, but rather that in this case he made an all too human mistake of rash judgement.

Yet I have to agree with palmas that to throw out this situation with all the negativity of the OP and then not answer any question to clarity the situation a little bit leaves everyone else either scratching their heads or blindly exchanging barbs in ignorance.

Good one!