You Can Eat Turkey Today. Pope Pius XII Said So

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Did this as a kid…we’d eat leftovers and watch NU vs OU football.
 
I may be once again displaying my ignorance, but as I grew up in Philadelphia PA, the restriction was against eating RED meat on Fridays, Poultry and Fish were allowed ( at least thats what I remembered).
 
Crusaderbear said:
I may be once again displaying my ignorance, but as I grew up in Philadelphia PA, the restriction was against eating RED meat on Fridays, Poultry and Fish were allowed ( at least thats what I remembered).
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Interesting. We never had it that way. Anything that walked was forbidden.
Swimming, ok. 🙂
 
pianistclare said:
Interesting. We never had it that way. Anything that walked was forbidden.
Swimming, ok. 🙂
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I may have remembered it incorrectly, I can’t find any references specifying only red meat…at the rate my brain forgets things, I’ll be lucky to remember my name before too long!
 
Crusaderbear said:
I may have remembered it incorrectly, I can’t find any references specifying only red meat…at the rate my brain forgets things, I’ll be lucky to remember my name before too long!
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I believe the prohibition was/is against eating carne on Fridays. In most European western cultures that includes poultry. But I believe there are some cultures that have traditionally had a different understanding of carne. If you belonged to one of those cultures you may have been raised to believe that poultry was permitted.
 
SMHW said:
I believe the prohibition was/is against eating carne on Fridays. In most European western cultures that includes poultry. But I believe there are some cultures that have traditionally had a different understanding of carne. If you belonged to one of those cultures you may have been raised to believe that poultry was permitted.
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Something tells me Irish Catholic wasn’t one of them…I probably rememered wrong…it was like 45 years ago…

I have tried to stick by fish on fridays since the 80’s though.
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Vico said:
That was arrogated by the Pastoral Statement on Penance and Abstinence – 1966 and 1983 canon law.
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You’re probably right. You don’t want those Americans getting too much favoritism. 🙂
 
tee_eff_em said:
Well…yesterday is more interesting, and this item would have been more pertinent then, but I’d not yet seen it.

You Can Eat Turkey Today. Pope Pius XII Said So.

Anyway, we can all keep it in mind next year for the Friday after Thanksgiving.

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tee
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Certainly this indult never made it down to the level of our parish in the '50’s - the leftover turkey sat for a day. What I DO recall, though, is our (Irish of course) bishop waiving abstinence when St. Patrick’s Day fell on a Friday!
 
Vico said:
That was arrogated by the Pastoral Statement on Penance and Abstinence – 1966 and 1983 canon law.
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I don’t know about the indult, but I do know that Bishop Gerald of the Eparchy of Phoenix issued a dispensation from Friday abstinence this year, for the day after Thanksgiving. Can’t get more current than that.
 
babochka said:
I don’t know about the indult, but I do know that Bishop Gerald of the Eparchy of Phoenix issued a dispensation from Friday abstinence this year, for the day after Thanksgiving. Can’t get more current than that.
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Does this imply all Fridays are days of required abstinence unless dispensation is granted?
 
babochka said:
I don’t know about the indult, but I do know that Bishop Gerald of the Eparchy of Phoenix issued a dispensation from Friday abstinence this year, for the day after Thanksgiving. Can’t get more current than that.
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Some of the Latin Church faithful may not be aware that per CCEO Canon Law, Canon 882 “On the days of penance the Christian faithful are obliged to observe fast or abstinence in the manner established by the particular law of their Church sui iuris.”

The fasts of the liturgical year are to be kept in accordance with the Norms of Particular Law of the Byzantine Metropolitan Church sui iuris of Pittsburgh.

Strict Abstinence (Pure Monday and Great Friday)
• The law of strict abstinence (fast) forbids the use of meat, eggs and dairy products. Facsimiles, substitutes, and synthetic derivatives, although they are permitted, violate the intention and spirit of the law of strict abstinence.
• All the faithful of the Archeparchy who receive the Eucharist are bound to observe strict abstinence.
• Strict abstinence (fast) is to be observed on Pure Monday (the first day of the Great Fast) and on Great and Holy Friday.

Simple Abstinence (Wednesdays and Fridays of the Great Fast, all Fridays)
• The law of simple abstinence forbids the use of meat, permitting the use of eggs and dairy products.
• All the faithful of the Archeparchy who receive the Eucharist are bound to abstain.
• Abstinence is obligatory on all Wednesdays and Fridays of the Great Fast.

Dispensations
•Priests and parents are to see to it that minors are educated in the authentic sense of penance.

There are some subtle differences from this general rule however, given in the Archeparchy Calendar, such as:
  • Observed on Exaltation of the Holy Cross (Sep 14) on a day other than Saturday or Sunday.
  • Observed on the Vigil of Christmas
  • Not observed between Christmas Dec 25 and Jan 4, but observed on the Vigil of Theophany (Jan. 5).
  • Not observed on the Friday after Sunday of the Publican and Pharisee.
  • Not observed on Annunciation or other Solemnity.
  • Not observed on Friday after the Resurrection of Our Lord. (Bright Week)
  • Not observed on Friday after the Pentecost. (Trinity Week)
  • Observed on Beheading of St. John the Baptist (Aug 29) on a day other than Saturday or Sunday.
 
tee_eff_em said:
Well…yesterday is more interesting, and this item would have been more pertinent then, but I’d not yet seen it.

You Can Eat Turkey Today. Pope Pius XII Said So.

Anyway, we can all keep it in mind next year for the Friday after Thanksgiving.

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tee
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I wish there would have been a citation somewhere in the blog post to what Pius XII did…

Canon Law Digest is the best resource when it comes to canon law modifications/indults/permissions/etc coming from the Holy See. Since it is an American publication, it is pretty complete when it comes to American canonical matters. In looking through all the documentation up through 1967, I saw *no *evidence of any pope, Pius XII or otherwise, giving such an indult.

Canon Law Digest might not contain every legal pronouncement of the Supreme authority of the Church and I certainly could have overlooked it…in any event, I didn’t see it.

Dan
 
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