you don't see catholics killing Jesus insulters

[KarenNC]

Several weeks ago, New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that the city would cut its funding to the Brooklyn Art Museum unless the museum canceled an upcoming exhibition. Titled Sensation…

Yes, I referenced that above (see post #10 in this thread). It happened in 1999 and shows that in fact many people cared and protested loudly.

I am questioning the OP claim that “a big naked Jesus statue maid [sic] out of dog turds was put in a museum. Nobody cared, in fact who hears about it?” I am saying that perhaps “nobody cared” precisely because I can find absolutely no evidence that it ever happened. Given the reactions to the two stories I referenced, this seems highly unlikely, or at least highly unlikely to have happened in America. The OP does not give any indication of where s/he lives.

 

[KarenNC]

Silly people say silly things.

I don’t call murder silly, but perhaps that’s just me. Or are you saying that the reference to the murders of Jews by Christians over this over the centuries did not happen?

 

[RobedWithLight]

No, since the Holocaust it has fallen out of favor. But Christians have a long history of murdering Jews because of their ancestors supposedly killed Christ (and for such imagined crimes as killing Christian babies and children for their blood)

Even then, does this excuse Muslim behaviour and violence towards Christians, and non-muslims in general?

 

[Deacon2006]

I don’t call murder silly, but perhaps that’s just me. Or are you saying that the reference to the murders of Jews by Christians over this over the centuries did not happen?

It is silly to talk of one religion as producing victims and another as murderers.

God Bless

 

[Dale_M]

It is silly to talk of one religion as producing victims and another as murderers.

Not necessarily. If the motivation for killing is rooted in religious differences then it makes a lot of sense to talk in this manner. The victim/oppressor equation will depend a lot on who is in the majority or in power.

But if your point is that it is wrong to condem all the adherents of a particular religion, then I agree with your objection.

 

[MugenOne]

Because they don’t give a dam about Jesus or his teaching. They just consider Jesus as a prophet in order to fool ignorant folks and hopefully convert some of them into the dark side. Ask any Muslim to name one teaching of Jesus and you possibly get nothing from them.

Why aren’t Muslims upset over this?

1. They accept Jesus as a prophet of God.
2. They frown upon portraying prophets.
3. Using dung as the building material would be an expression of contempt.

 

[meedo]

Why aren’t Muslims upset over this?

1. They accept Jesus as a prophet of God.
2. They frown upon portraying prophets.
3. Using dung as the building material would be an expression of contempt.

Hello,

May be you get the wrong idea that muslims arent upset when Jesus is insulted .

Nothing can be more further from the truth. I personally never knew about this incident that you are referring to . If i had , i would be sending letters of protest to this artist or asking for his work to be boycotted. I am sure many if not all orthodox muslims would do the same . But you have to nderstand that our hands are busy tryint to explain our faith to others. Specially these days . But whenever we hear about somthing that is offensive we reject it.

Take the incident with the christmass tree in the airport. Muslims were pro that the christmass tree be displayed and be called ‘’ Christnmass tree’’ and not a holiday tree or somthing. I guess it was written in many articles in the US press about how muslims would defend that thye Christmass holidays also would be called with their proper religious conotation .

Christmass holiday is a christian holiday and should not be hijacked into a winter holiday.

If a man insults Jesus in a muslim country he would be despised as much as he would have insulted Muhammed . There is a reason why there is a whole long chapter in the Quran named after Mary . There is a reason why Mary is aknowledged as a Patriarch and the best woman ever to walk on earth for muslims and there is a reason why a direct proof of her virginity and piety comes from God to be recited daily around the world by Muslims.

It is important for us muslims to believe in all the prophets of God . Islam is a path to God nd not a tribe . Nor its a contest of who is preferred with God . We believe that all prophets and humans whom God is happy with have attained the status of Islam ‘’ submission’’ to God . They should be equally respected.

May be you dont believe us , but the story of Jesus and mary is part of who we are as muslims. It is a component of what Islam is . If a muslim disbelieves in jesus he would be considered an apostate equally as if he disbelieved in Muhammed .

why?

simply because we believe that BOTH are prophets who only did a Job for the common and one God of this world . That is deliver his message and guide people to believe and obey .

The quran clearly states that if we start to pick and choose among his messengers then we are doomed . We are just needy subjects of a mighty glorious and merciful king . We accept all his messegs no matter whomever is the messenger . Sine he almighty knows that his messengers are well qualified to deloiver the message then questioning his messengers would be questioning his judgement . God forbid any one reach that state .

i hope i clarified a bit

meedo

 

[meedo]

Because they don’t give a dam about Jesus or his teaching. They just consider Jesus as a prophet in order to fool ignorant folks and hopefully convert some of them into the dark side. Ask any Muslim to name one teaching of Jesus and you possibly get nothing from them.

That is totally wrong , and considering Jesus as a prophet is not an insult as much as it is a difference of opinion about his nature .

If i knew that i am on the dark side then i wouldnt be here . Nor will i wish any body harm . I sincerely believe that you are honest in trying to bring whats good to me and i appreciate that . I hope you can understand that i am acting in good faith myself.

Jesus came to people whom were already given a law . He taught them to not take just the literal sense of the law but also to abide by the spirit of the law . He also came with good news of forgiveness and opening a new page with the people of Israel lifting some punishments and restricting laws that were imposed on them for previous transgressions and
promissing them the mercy of God. Thus his teachings were not themselves the breakthrough, the breakthrough was the reformation of the udnerstanding of the law for the people of Israel at the time.

That is the Muslim point of view

thanks

Meedo

 

[guanophore]

going and murdering because Muslims say something bad about Jesus. Some Muslims insult Jesus all the time! But wait…if a catholic insults Muhammed, God forbid, that is terribly wrong. In most cases it deserves capital punishment! You don’t see catholics killing people because they offended Jesus. But you see Muslims killing people because they offend Muhammed. I read a news paper story where a big naked Jesus statue maid out of dog turds was put in a museum. Nobody cared, infact who hears about it? But if the same thing was made about Muhammed…the world would go crazy!!

I hope this does not happen any more, but the Catholic Church certainly has no leg on which to stand when it comes claiming to be more righteous on the point of killing. In the name of God, the Catholics have maimed, tortured and annihilated more than any other religion or government combined others who insult Jesus or the Pope, or any number of Catholic rules!

 

[guanophore]

The Crusades were to return what was under Eastern Christian control prior to Muslim invasion ie The Holy Land.

So, what are you saying? Because it used to belong to the Christians, it was ok to murder thousands of men, women and children of another faith? Are you JUSTIFYING the crusades?!?!?! Whatever happened to Luke 6:29-31
29 To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. 30 Give to every one who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. 31 And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I hope this does not happen any more, but the Catholic Church certainly has no leg on which to stand when it comes claiming to be more righteous on the point of killing. In the name of God, the Catholics have maimed, tortured and annihilated more than any other religion or government combined others who insult Jesus or the Pope, or any number of Catholic rules!

And for good reasoning at the time this was done. Actually God has maimed, tortured, and annihilated more than the Catholics. Maybe you should read some OT history. If I was a Catholic back in the day of the Crusades, I would willingly kill those that were heretics and blasphemers and defilers of God’s Holy Land.

Today is different. The non-muslim is more tolerant of heretics. The Muslim are still has the mindset of Barbaric Age.

No Catholic should apologize for what happened centuries ago when we were all Barbaric.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Because they don’t give a dam about Jesus or his teaching. They just consider Jesus as a prophet in order to fool ignorant folks and hopefully convert some of them into the dark side. Ask any Muslim to name one teaching of Jesus and you possibly get nothing from them.

I posted a similar topic a year ago. I asked why Muslims don’t live by Jesus’ teachings if they accept him as a prophet. All I got back was, ‘‘define what his teachings are’’.

Muslims seem to want to kill the heretics, while Christians are more interested in converting them.

 

[guanophore]

And for good reasoning at the time this was done. Actually God has maimed, tortured, and annihilated more than the Catholics. Maybe you should read some OT history. If I was a Catholic back in the day of the Crusades, I would willingly kill those that were heretics and blasphemers and defilers of God’s Holy Land.

Today is different. The non-muslim is more tolerant of heretics. The Muslim are still has the mindset of Barbaric Age.

No Catholic should apologize for what happened centuries ago when we were all Barbaric.

I wonder. From my studies of the crusades, many there were not believers, they were just greedy. I just read this morning something like “happy is the man who dashes the children’s heads against the stones”. I can 't find it now, but it is a reflection of that barbaric understanding of God.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I wonder. From my studies of the crusades, many there were not believers, they were just greedy. I just read this morning something like “happy is the man who dashes the children’s heads against the stones”. I can 't find it now, but it is a reflection of that barbaric understanding of God.

You can’t fault the Catholic church for what Crusading Soldiers did on their own just like you can’t fault the USA for what Soldiers have done in Iraq.

Except the Soldiers in Iraq should know better because they have been trained in the difference of what is right and wrong militarily. Plus they are more civilized by a very large margin when compared to those that lived nearly 1000 years ago.

One has to study World History on War to order to understand the mentality and disposition of those in the past.

Anti-catholics base their opinion of the Crusades against their modernization and politically correct understanding of warfare.

 

[KarenNC]

You can’t fault the Catholic church for what Crusading Soldiers did on their own just like you can’t fault the USA for what Soldiers have done in Iraq.

Then why do you fault Islam for what terrorists and extremists do? It cuts both ways.

 

[guanophore]

You can’t fault the Catholic church for what Crusading Soldiers did on their own just like you can’t fault the USA for what Soldiers have done in Iraq.

Except the Soldiers in Iraq should know better because they have been trained in the difference of what is right and wrong militarily. Plus they are more civilized by a very large margin when compared to those that lived nearly 1000 years ago.

But I do! If the US wants to go about claiming some sort of moral superiority, then our soldiers need to be better ambassadors for what we believe. Besides, the crusaders did not do things on their own, but were directed by corrupe heads of state and clergy.

One has to study World History on War to order to understand the mentality and disposition of those in the past.

Anti-catholics base their opinion of the Crusades against their modernization and politically correct understanding of warfare.

I agree, I only am pointing out that Catholics pretending like they are different or better than Muslims because they have never conducted terrorism or murder is not right.

 

[KarenNC]

** Besides, the crusaders did not do things on their own, but were directed by corrupe heads of state and clergy**

I think it is a bit oversimplistic to say either that 1) crusaders/soldiers/etc did nothing on their own but were directed by corrupt officials or 2) that political or religious leaders bear no responsibility for the actions of those they incite or direct to aggression against others. Either functions as a cop-out.

I agree, I only am pointing out that Catholics pretending like they are different or better than Muslims because they have never conducted terrorism or murder is not right.

Agreed. The same goes for the US. There is no pure and holy side in a war, no absolute control of commanders over the actions of their subordinates nor the excuse of “just following orders.”

 

[Michelle2006]

Sorry Dale_M and guanophore

If you really believe Christians are “just as intolerant/evil/hateful etc… as muslims” why don’t you try a little experiement and prove it to us. Hand out copies of materials offensive to Christ and/or the Blessed Mother outside of the Vatican some Sunday. Then the following Friday, hand out copies of the “mohammed cartoons” in front of a mosque in Saudi Arabia. Then get back to us and tell us how it went.

Michelle

PS
Weekly Jihad report
2/17/07 - 2/23/07

Jihad attackes: 61
Dead Bodies: 433
Critically Injured: 717

 

[Dale_M]

I asked why Muslims don’t live by Jesus’ teachings if they accept him as a prophet. All I got back was, ‘‘define what his teachings are’’

A better question to ask might be why Christians do not live by Jesus’ teachings! Omigosh, we’ve got a long, long way to travel before we can start expecting others to live up to the ideals we proclaim.

 

[Dale_M]

Hand out copies of materials offensive to Christ and/or the Blessed Mother outside of the Vatican some Sunday.

No thank you, I have no desire to cause offense to God or to His followers. The same would apply for handing out anti-Islamic material.

The world has enough hate in it already. Religious bigotry and violence is wrong, no matter who does it. My point is that as Christians we are in no position to be throwing stones.