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Cyril
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Cyril, apologies for interruption, but the above is not an accurate representation of Catholic (or Anglican) belief on free will.cant have it both ways. Either God uses you as a conduit for good as your choice or your are a powerless puppet.
Calvinism holds that humans were “totally depraved” due to the Fall. They were so thoroughly ruined that even the ability to choose good (and God) was lost. Thus, necessitating the doctrine of pre-election of the saints, where God makes the choice as to who receives the redemptive grace needed to choose good.
Now, one may get into details like infralapsarianism/ supralapsarianism, ect., but that’s the gist of it.
The Catholic/ Orthodox position is that while Original sin wounded and “darkened” humanity’s conscience, it did not wholly destroy it. Individually, people are still capable of choosing and doing good deeds, although they are not capable of accomplishing “perfect good” alone. Nor can they save and redeem themselves from the spiritual damage from Original Sin and mortal/ venial sins.
Anglicanism holds to the same view in the majority, but it also does maintain a minority Pelagian school of thought that holds to humans retaining the ability to choose good perfectly and to attain redemption through their own good works and choices.
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Miguel25
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Molinism is good philosophical approach to the truth in sacred scripture. As catholics we believe the sheeding of blood was for many not for all. I think so if you correct me i will appreciate it.
Btw he died for the cosmos not only for person but the whole world the nature has to be redeemed
Btw he died for the cosmos not only for person but the whole world the nature has to be redeemed
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Chris-Hawkins
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Every single person in the world. Past, present or future has been chosen by God BUT God also gave us free will. The will to choose to accept our God given right or reject it. So in my opinion anyone who is not a member of the church or anyone who is an atheist or believes in a false god is in fact chosen by God but they have used there free will to reject or dis believe.
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fhansen
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Maybe you’re thinking of this:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:44
Either way, God draws us first, and we’re to respond, by following. It’s an academic point as to just who is called and who isn’t, who is numbered among the elect and who is not, or whose names are written in The Book of Life and whose are not. From our perspective, we just hear, and follow; God will ultimately judge how we did with what we were given.
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:44
Either way, God draws us first, and we’re to respond, by following. It’s an academic point as to just who is called and who isn’t, who is numbered among the elect and who is not, or whose names are written in The Book of Life and whose are not. From our perspective, we just hear, and follow; God will ultimately judge how we did with what we were given.
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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Maybe a better way of saying it is that God makes it possible for us to do something good and we are free to choose whether we will follow through.
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Chris-Hawkins
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Thank you Latin for a great read and God bless you also. You have it spot on. I myself took a long time to come back to my faith. I fought it for a long time but I truley believe that (as you said) God changed my will without forcing it. He made it possible. Not my intellect but Gods decision to call me home.
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