"You may kiss the bride"

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I know of a Priest who does not allow “You may kiss the bride” to be done at any of his Wedding Masses. He says its not part of the ceremony and was never part of it. As such he says he will not alter the Mass in order to add it.

Is this correct?
 
If you are talking about the priest announcing, “You may kiss the bride” and the newly married couple going into a romantic thrall, no, it is not a part of the Sacrament. It wasn’t added for some time, and just a custom (like the unity candle, leaving a ouquet for the Blessed Virgin, the ropas, the coins, and all the other trappings that aren’t really part of the sacrament itself) . Think of Grace Kelly marrying Ranier, or for that matter, Michael Corleone marrying Apollonia. No smooching, period, just kneeling and blessing themselves, along with the ring exchange and vows. Until the late 50s in the U.S., it was considered unseemly to smooch in front of the Tabernacle, Jesus’ house- let alone all the guests. It was also true for most high-church Espicopalians and Missouri and Wisconsin Lutherans.

While the kiss is not an official part of the Sacrament, most priests allow the bride and groom to kiss, either after the vows, or prior to the recessional. They just don’t announce it. Some say, “I now present to you the new Mrs. and Mrs. James.” If the priest won’t let you, surely you can either take a quick peck as you exit the church, or wait until you get outside. Nobody wants to see you do more than that, anyway. Trust me on this.
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
If you are talking about the priest announcing, “You may kiss the bride” and the newly married couple going into a romantic thrall, no, it is not a part of the Sacrament. It wasn’t added for some time, and just a custom (like the unity candle, leaving a ouquet for the Blessed Virgin, the ropas, the coins, and all the other trappings that aren’t really part of the sacrament itself) . Think of Grace Kelly marrying Ranier, or for that matter, Michael Corleone marrying Apollonia. No smooching, period, just kneeling and blessing themselves, along with the ring exchange and vows. Until the late 50s in the U.S., it was considered unseemly to smooch in front of the Tabernacle, Jesus’ house- let alone all the guests. It was also true for most high-church Espicopalians and Missouri and Wisconsin Lutherans.

While the kiss is not an official part of the Sacrament, most priests allow the bride and groom to kiss, either after the vows, or prior to the recessional. They just don’t announce it. Some say, “I now present to you the new Mrs. and Mrs. James.” If the priest won’t let you, surely you can either take a quick peck as you exit the church, or wait until you get outside. Nobody wants to see you do more than that, anyway. Trust me on this.
I agree with you totally, I DONT WANT to kiss in the Church… and I’m trying to communicate to my relatives why this shouldn’t be so.
 
There is no part of the marriage ceremony where the bride and groom kiss. The priest is correct.

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OutinChgoburbs:
If you are talking about the priest announcing, “You may kiss the bride” and the newly married couple going into a romantic thrall, no, it is not a part of the Sacrament. It wasn’t added for some time, and just a custom (like the unity candle, leaving a ouquet for the Blessed Virgin, the ropas, the coins, and all the other trappings that aren’t really part of the sacrament itself) . Think of Grace Kelly marrying Ranier, or for that matter, Michael Corleone marrying Apollonia. No smooching, period, just kneeling and blessing themselves, along with the ring exchange and vows. Until the late 50s in the U.S., it was considered unseemly to smooch in front of the Tabernacle, Jesus’ house- let alone all the guests. It was also true for most high-church Espicopalians and Missouri and Wisconsin Lutherans.

While the kiss is not an official part of the Sacrament, most priests allow the bride and groom to kiss, either after the vows, or prior to the recessional. They just don’t announce it. Some say, “I now present to you the new Mrs. and Mrs. James.” If the priest won’t let you, surely you can either take a quick peck as you exit the church, or wait until you get outside. Nobody wants to see you do more than that, anyway. Trust me on this.
hmmm… i didn’t know the cords and coins weren’t allowed either… i wanted to stick to the Mass as much as possible so I didn’t want to allow the kissing… however it seems too far along to take the cords and coins out…
 
We went by the book as well. We didn’t use the wedding march, but an opening hymn. We didn’t have a bridal procession, but the same as you would see at any other Mass (my dad carried the lectionary, and my husband–to be–and I processed together). And, there is no unity candle and no place for one (though some do allow it). And nothing involving the parents during the mass. So these can be done before Mass starts (if the priest is willing) or after it is over. And there is no, “Who gives this woman?” while we are on the subject. (In a Catholic ceremony, it is later asked if each of you give yourselves freely and without reserve, so you are giving yourself away. You aren’t some piece of property whose ownership is being transferred.) And there was no, “You may kiss the bride.” But there is a sign of peace and it was common knowledge that you would give your new spouse a sign of peace, which could quite possibly be a small kiss on the lips or cheek. Did you get the Together For Life book yet?
 
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Forest-Pine:
We went by the book as well. We didn’t use the wedding march, but an opening hymn. We didn’t have a bridal procession, but the same as you would see at any other Mass (my dad carried the lectionary, and my husband–to be–and I processed together). And, there is no unity candle and no place for one (though some do allow it). And nothing involving the parents during the mass. So these can be done before Mass starts (if the priest is willing) or after it is over. And there is no, “Who gives this woman?” while we are on the subject. (In a Catholic ceremony, it is later asked if each of you give yourselves freely and without reserve, so you are giving yourself away. You aren’t some piece of property whose ownership is being transferred.) And there was no, “You may kiss the bride.” But there is a sign of peace and it was common knowledge that you would give your new spouse a sign of peace, which could quite possibly be a small kiss on the lips or cheek. Did you get the Together For Life book yet?
yes, i have that book.
 
btw, how long have these innovations during wedding Masses been tolerated? Is it a post-Vatican II thing? or did it go one before then as well?
 
Oh, good. Then you can follow along these notes on how a Catholic Nuptial Mass differs from the Protestant service most people know from the movies:

Order of Service

Prelude
Seating of Mothers/Families (1)

Introductory Rite
Processional (2)
Greeting
Opening Prayer

Liturgy of the Word
First Reading
Responsorial Psalm
Second Reading
Gospel Acclamation
Gospel
Homily

Rite of Marriage
Statement of Intentions (3)
Consent
Reception of Consent (4)
Blessing and Exchange of Rings
Prayer of the Couple (5)
Prayers of the Faithful

Liturgy of the Eucharist
Presentation of the Gifts
Sanctus
Memorial Acclamation
Great Amen
Lord’s Prayer
Nuptial Blessing
Sign of Peace (6)
Communion (7)
Meditation (8)

Concluding Rite
Final Blessing
Recessional
 
1) Seating of families (or Seating of the Mothers, but this is often extended for step-parents, grandparents, etc): first groom’s family, groom’s mom last, then bride’s family. Bride’s mom is seated as last thing before wedding begins. This is not Catholic, but plain old tradiotional wedding custom.

2) Processional: the traditional procession is both bride and groom process together. There is a lot of symbology about this being your (plural) day, a day you enter together, coming together to God’s alter to make your vows, etc. However, because of the prominence of the rather modern concept of this being the “Bride’s” day, many churches allow the now common Bridal march. The symbology being that it is all about her and her big day and everyone look at her, etc. The bridal marches (both versions) have a huge history attached to it that you should look up some time. It is banned in many places.

Also, while a bride’s father might escort her down the aisle, he does not give her away in a Catholic wedding. He simply walks her down, maybe kisses her cheek or shakes the groom’s hand, then goes to his seat. The bride and groom will later be asked if they give themselves freely and without reservation.

3) Statement of Intentions: this is where the aforementioned questions from the priest to the couple happens.

4) Reception of Consent: This is when the two are officially and actually married. Not at the end of Mass, but after they accept the vows here. “I do” is not the traditional response as it is preferred that you say the vows yourself. However, the US does allow the priest to say them for you, with you responding “I will” or “I do.”

5) Prayer of the Couple: this is optional and often left out. But any kind of customization you want to do, if the priest is open to it, best fits in here. Notice it is during the Rite of Marriage but after the vows. We had a special blessing on our hands here.

6) Sign of Peace: well after the vows and well before the end of Mass, this is the place most new couples have their first kiss. Because of the placement, it is not exactly the showy display like in the movies with “You may kiss the bride” but is more subtle and loving.

7) Communion: Of course, in a Catholic Mass, only Catholics may take communion. It isn’t an accident that the first act a newly married couple makes is to take communion together. (Or to pray together, then take communion together.) The double dose of sacramental grace makes it a jam-packed day worthy of such joy and celebration! Many don’t keep the focus on the spirituality of the day, unfortunately.

8) Meditation: (As in the meditative music after Communion) This is also optional. Many do flowers for Mary here. The priests who allow unity candles, or unity sand, or whatever other such unity things there are now, often put them here.

I know there will always be exceptions to every rule (I’ve heard several people tell me their fully Catholic wedding had a “Who gives this woman” line, for example) but I hope this might help clarify the differences between what we think a wedding is like and how it really is. Pretty much, you are having a Mass with a Marriage Rite in the middle of it. As long as you keep thinking of it in that context, you shouldn’t have a problem.
 
Forest-Pine said:
1) Seating of families (or Seating of the Mothers, but this is often extended for step-parents, grandparents, etc): first groom’s family, groom’s mom last, then bride’s family. Bride’s mom is seated as last thing before wedding begins. This is not Catholic, but plain old tradiotional wedding custom.

2) Processional: the traditional procession is both bride and groom process together. There is a lot of symbology about this being your (plural) day, a day you enter together, coming together to God’s alter to make your vows, etc. However, because of the prominence of the rather modern concept of this being the “Bride’s” day, many churches allow the now common Bridal march. The symbology being that it is all about her and her big day and everyone look at her, etc. The bridal marches (both versions) have a huge history attached to it that you should look up some time. It is banned in many places.

Also, while a bride’s father might escort her down the aisle, he does not give her away in a Catholic wedding. He simply walks her down, maybe kisses her cheek or shakes the groom’s hand, then goes to his seat. The bride and groom will later be asked if they give themselves freely and without reservation.

3) Statement of Intentions: this is where the aforementioned questions from the priest to the couple happens.

4) Reception of Consent: This is when the two are officially and actually married. Not at the end of Mass, but after they accept the vows here. “I do” is not the traditional response as it is preferred that you say the vows yourself. However, the US does allow the priest to say them for you, with you responding “I will” or “I do.”

5) Prayer of the Couple: this is optional and often left out. But any kind of customization you want to do, if the priest is open to it, best fits in here. Notice it is during the Rite of Marriage but after the vows. We had a special blessing on our hands here.

6) Sign of Peace: well after the vows and well before the end of Mass, this is the place most new couples have their first kiss. Because of the placement, it is not exactly the showy display like in the movies with “You may kiss the bride” but is more subtle and loving.

7) Communion: Of course, in a Catholic Mass, only Catholics may take communion. It isn’t an accident that the first act a newly married couple makes is to take communion together. (Or to pray together, then take communion together.) The double dose of sacramental grace makes it a jam-packed day worthy of such joy and celebration! Many don’t keep the focus on the spirituality of the day, unfortunately.

8) Meditation: (As in the meditative music after Communion) This is also optional. Many do flowers for Mary here. The priests who allow unity candles, or unity sand, or whatever other such unity things there are now, often put them here.

I know there will always be exceptions to every rule (I’ve heard several people tell me their fully Catholic wedding had a “Who gives this woman” line, for example) but I hope this might help clarify the differences between what we think a wedding is like and how it really is. Pretty much, you are having a Mass with a Marriage Rite in the middle of it. As long as you keep thinking of it in that context, you shouldn’t have a problem.

ARRRGH… what do I do know? My wedding is in a week! The cord and coins are already a part of it, the order of the celebration is printed in 200 programs and they include the coins and cord… Also, my fiance’s family is very supportive of these customs…

I don’t want them there if they aren’t allowed. But doing so now may cause problems… what do i do?
 
James_2:24:
ARRRGH… what do I do know? My wedding is in a week! The cord and coins are already a part of it, the order of the celebration is printed in 200 programs and they include the coins and cord… Also, my fiance’s family is very supportive of these customs…

I don’t want them there if they aren’t allowed. But doing so now may cause problems… what do i do?
Card and coins, as in the Hispanic traditions? My church had an entirely different handout for them. Something about a Bible and a lasso, too. You’re in an entirely different league with these traditions. They aren’t Protestant traditions you’ve grown accostumed to through the movies, but cultural Catholic customs. I wouldn’t worry about them at all. Calm down and enjoy! (FYI: I forgot an entire section on the program and didn’t realize it until afterwards. Guess which one. THE MARRIAGE RITE!! I suppose it was so obvious, they didn’t need help following along with that. Doh. Don’t stress!)

(And to answer the question on what’s the difference: the Protestant and secular traditions are counter to the theology of the Mass and Catholicism, such as the Bridal March and the entire focus being on HER instead of the Lord, and the giving away by Dad when she can’t be given by any one but herself, and a unity candle in which the candle flame is representing the people when in Catholic tradition it has always represented Christ… The difference is that the cultural traditions that are present within the church have a long Catholic tradition AND do not contradict Catholic theology.)
 
  1. Sign of Peace: well after the vows and well before the end of Mass, this is the place most new couples have their first kiss. Because of the placement, it is not exactly the showy display like in the movies with “You may kiss the bride” but is more subtle and loving.
I had asked about saving one’s first kiss for the wedding, and reading this makes me really think it is still a good idea!
 
Oh please come down off the ceiling. You don’t want your cabarellos to have to peel you down an lug you to the church with little pieces of plaster in your fingernails for the Big Day. The lasso (cords) and coins and Bible are no biggie. You don’t want the kiss, ta-da! Everybody has explained it to you, so you can go in and tell them WHY. I even think the Exchange of Peace is a better locale than what we do here for anglo weddings.
 
The Together for Life Book is full of non-Catholic advice. I wouldn’t recommend this book to anyone.
 
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athanasiusrc:
The Together for Life Book is full of non-Catholic advice. I wouldn’t recommend this book to anyone.
Are you sure you are talking about the same booklet? Together For Life is written by Fr. Joseph M. Champlin who was Associate Director, Secretariat, Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy when it was first published and now is the rector of Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in New York, and has written over 40 Catholic books. The Together For Life booklet carries an imprimatur by the Most Reverend Thomas J. Costello, D.D. Vicar General of the Diocese of Syracuse, NY and the book is published by Ave Maria Press in Notre Dame, Indiana. It is a pretty straight forward book outlining the order of a Nuptial Mass and approved readings, with not much else to it. The only commentary is a 4 page Appendix. 1 page is a detailed account of the importance and dignity of the sacrament of matrimony. The other 3 pages are simple explanations of the way an interreligious wedding works.

It answers the questions “Why were the laws in the past so strict and seemingly unfair or discriminatory? What brought about these numerous changes in such a relatively brief time?” and “Who will help us get ready spiritually for the marriage and, specifically, for the wedding ceremony?” and “What about our future children?” and “Where may we have the wedding ceremony?” and “Does the wedding have to take place in church or be a religious service?” and “May we write our own ceremony?”

The answers are straightforward, honest, to the point, and distinctively Catholic. That probably explains why practically every diocese in the US uses this book in their marriage preparations.
 
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Forest-Pine:
Are you sure you are talking about the same booklet? Together For Life is written by Fr. Joseph M. Champlin who was Associate Director, Secretariat, Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy when it was first published and now is the rector of Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in New York, and has written over 40 Catholic books. The Together For Life booklet carries an imprimatur by the Most Reverend Thomas J. Costello, D.D. Vicar General of the Diocese of Syracuse, NY and the book is published by Ave Maria Press in Notre Dame, Indiana. It is a pretty straight forward book outlining the order of a Nuptial Mass and approved readings, with not much else to it. The only commentary is a 4 page Appendix. 1 page is a detailed account of the importance and dignity of the sacrament of matrimony. The other 3 pages are simple explanations of the way an interreligious wedding works.

It answers the questions “Why were the laws in the past so strict and seemingly unfair or discriminatory? What brought about these numerous changes in such a relatively brief time?” and “Who will help us get ready spiritually for the marriage and, specifically, for the wedding ceremony?” and “What about our future children?” and “Where may we have the wedding ceremony?” and “Does the wedding have to take place in church or be a religious service?” and “May we write our own ceremony?”

The answers are straightforward, honest, to the point, and distinctively Catholic. That probably explains why practically every diocese in the US uses this book in their marriage preparations.
This book is in its at least 5th revision, is about 35+ years old, and still a great resource.
 
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