Young Catholic Woman Blogs About Being Pro Contraception

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How sad. This poor woman has no idea how she is degrading herself

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I disagree with a lot of what she’s written, but I do believe it was written with sincerity. She was educated by Jesuits and if what she says is true, at no time did she get any real moral message about contraception other than ‘if you can’t be good - be safe and keep your partners safe too’.

I can identify with her to a large extent. I was educated in Catholic schools and I can truthfully say that at NO time did any teacher or member of a religious community say that artificial contraception or sexual intercourse outside marriage is wrong! Maybe they thought our parents would tell us - and our parents thought that our Catholic education would cover it - or that they had their heads firmly in the sand and believe that ‘nice’ boys and girls just didn’t go there!

I had the shock of my life when after learning about reproduction and contraception at school and indeed, swotting up on it for our end of year exams as a 12 year old to hear my mum mention that ‘we’ didn’t believe in contraception :eek: We were taught it as part of the school syllabus and it formed a part of the biology syllabus at 16 years old.

Many years later, I fell in love with a divorced man who had been married in an Anglican church. I honestly believed, having had a brief conversation with my parents, that because he wasn’t married in a Catholic church - his marriage didn’t count. As a person who endeavours to attend Mass every Sunday and does try to take my faith seriously (although at the ripe old age of 40 I feel I am only just beginning to learn what it really all means through stumbling accross this forum) I can honestly say no priest had ever preached about contraception, annulments, the sanctity of marriage in any depth, or actually said, “artificial contraception is wrong!” or explained marriage and annulment properly.

In fact, there was a case where a young couple discovered the girl was expecting and the boy’s mum, who was very devout, approached the priest to arrange a wedding. The priest actually advised them to marry in a registry office because is it didn’t work out, it would be easier to undo!

I can see a place for pragmatism in religion and I know the Jesuits have the phrase ‘for the Greater Glory of God’ - which we were taught (in History!) that they were, in modern parlance, ‘outcome-lead’ rather than obsessed with the procedure that gets you there?

I can see that the Church faces many challenges in an increasingly secular society.

I am not going to condemn this girl, because but for my parents giving it to me straight on contraception and me making a gargantuan effort and praying and I still might slip up at some time because I am a human and fallible…that girl could have been me:(
 
Rose71 said:
I disagree with a lot of what she’s written, but I do believe it was written with sincerity. She was educated by Jesuits and if what she says is true, at no time did she get any real moral message about contraception other than ‘if you can’t be good - be safe and keep your partners safe too’.
…that girl could have been me:(
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It could have been anyone.

I grew up as a Protestant, and even though I attended a Catholic school for some years no attempt was made at evangelisation or teaching of Christian values in that place. On the contrary, thats where I first witnessed young people getting drunk and doing sexual stuff at parties. Thank God I was late developed and my parents had been good role models.

I didn’t even know, until I was 21 years old, that there are people in the world who don’t think condoms are fine.

Like yours, my wonderful parents had their heads buried in the sand. My mother only prayed for me when some older creepy guy was trying to get me to sleep with him and I spent time with him at ungodly hours… yes prayer is good, but still many years later, I think it was wrong of my my mother not to talk with me about things, ask me questions about this guy etc. If she had just said: “I don’t want you to meet this man” or " I want you to come home at 11 at the latest", I would have listened… I respected my mon greatly.

Anyway, its now up to us to try to do things better than the last generation:)
 
Suzq2 said:
After reading this, I am dumbfounded. She needs our prayers.

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/10/my-take-why-im-a-catholic-for-contraception/
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The argument is as follows:
  1. I had a hormone problem, so the pill worked fine for me to have a balanced life.
  2. All of a sudden, it is not the pill as a health related case, which the Church approves, but the pill as contraceptive.
  3. After the pill, comes the rest.
  4. Finally, if this was my case, the Whole Universe should be like me.
  5. Politics comes second with a big confusion: “As a Catholic, I stand with President Obama’s decision”. You do not stand in Politics as a Catholic. You do not vote for the Catholics, you vote for yourself, as a citizen, there is no space in the bulletin that says: “Catholics”.
  6. Finally, the non-Catholic mantra: “I believe that includes acknowledging the rights of women to take care of our bodies.” Catholics think that we should take care of our God-given Bodies as the Creator wants, not as one wants. Otherwise, prostitution would be right. And other perversions too.
 
Rose71 said:
I disagree with a lot of what she’s written, but I do believe it was written with sincerity. She was educated by Jesuits and if what she says is true, at no time did she get any real moral message about contraception other than ‘if you can’t be good - be safe and keep your partners safe too’.

I can identify with her to a large extent. I was educated in Catholic schools and I can truthfully say that at NO time did any teacher or member of a religious community say that artificial contraception or sexual intercourse outside marriage is wrong! Maybe they thought our parents would tell us - and our parents thought that our Catholic education would cover it - or that they had their heads firmly in the sand and believe that ‘nice’ boys and girls just didn’t go there!

I had the shock of my life when after learning about reproduction and contraception at school and indeed, swotting up on it for our end of year exams as a 12 year old to hear my mum mention that ‘we’ didn’t believe in contraception :eek: We were taught it as part of the school syllabus and it formed a part of the biology syllabus at 16 years old.

Many years later, I fell in love with a divorced man who had been married in an Anglican church. I honestly believed, having had a brief conversation with my parents, that because he wasn’t married in a Catholic church - his marriage didn’t count. As a person who endeavours to attend Mass every Sunday and does try to take my faith seriously (although at the ripe old age of 40 I feel I am only just beginning to learn what it really all means through stumbling accross this forum) I can honestly say no priest had ever preached about contraception, annulments, the sanctity of marriage in any depth, or actually said, “artificial contraception is wrong!” or explained marriage and annulment properly.

In fact, there was a case where a young couple discovered the girl was expecting and the boy’s mum, who was very devout, approached the priest to arrange a wedding. The priest actually advised them to marry in a registry office because is it didn’t work out, it would be easier to undo!

I can see a place for pragmatism in religion and I know the Jesuits have the phrase ‘for the Greater Glory of God’ - which we were taught (in History!) that they were, in modern parlance, ‘outcome-lead’ rather than obsessed with the procedure that gets you there?

I can see that the Church faces many challenges in an increasingly secular society.

I am not going to condemn this girl, because but for my parents giving it to me straight on contraception and me making a gargantuan effort and praying and I still might slip up at some time because I am a human and fallible…that girl could have been me:(
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Poorly catechized and woefully misguided, this girl could also be me. I will be praying for her soul.
 
Hasn’t she excommunicated herself?

Why is she allowed to tell Jesuit High School students to use condoms and contraception? :eek:

Why is she paraded as a ‘Catholic’ voice on CNN, when she is in violation of Church Teaching. She is a heretic, is she not?

Are CNN going to have an article written by a Catholic entitled": Why I’m Catholic and against contraception.’’ ?
 
I went to a Catholic high school, and our health teacher showed a video if a woman giving birth (it was horrible, and I still have nightmares of her rewinding the video and saying,“look, it is going back in”.) She then said, “and this brings us on how to prevent from happening.” And then talked about birth control and how abortion is the saving grace to prevent us from a lifetime of drudgery. No wonder when I was baptized Catholic, I thought birth control was okay. My own Catholic mother said I should go on the pill just in case. She said “I was too smart and had too potential” to have kids. I feel fir of hook, line, and sinker. Now I don’t want to have kids.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Hasn’t she excommunicated herself?
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The requirements for incurring excommunication latae sententiae are pretty specific. She doesn’t appear to have met them, unless the Church deems her a heretic…which I don’t think they will. She is ill-informed, not an apostate.
Why is she allowed to tell Jesuit High School students to use condoms and contraception? :eek:
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I don’t think she did…if I read the piece correctly, she said that her instructors did while she was in high school.
Why is she paraded as a ‘Catholic’ voice on CNN, when she is in violation of Church Teaching. She is a heretic, is she not?
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See above re: heresy.
 
In the end, she’s a liberal democrat first, and Catholic second.

Regarding what she was taught in school, I find it difficult to believe there was no mention of abstinence. Maybe that part was just left out of this piece?
 
Of course, when she started that was taught by Jesuits, my reaction was, “Well there’s the problem!”
 
“I believe that condoms are, in fact, pro-life. They help women and men act responsibly in regards to the spread of HIV/AIDS. Condoms also prevent unintended pregnancies that could result in abortions, another issue that the Catholic Church has strong views about.”

Her reasoning is total nonsense. 50% of women who have abortions state that is was because of birth control failure. 78% of STD’s are transmitted during foreplay (kissing, oral, etc.) leading up to intercourse (nobody just has robotic intercourse). Women using birth control are a lot more promiscuous, resulting in more contact, which leads to more chances of getting pregnant and getting an STD.

catholic-voter.com/Mp3/Janet_E_Smith_Contraception-Why-Not.mp3
 
Isn’t this a perfect example of a person creating SCANDAL???

😦

Thankfully, there are plenty of young people who know better. Many more than in my generation, for example.
 
Voting4Life said:
Women using birth control are a lot more promiscuous, resulting in more contact, which leads to more chances of getting pregnant and getting an STD.
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Well of course they do. Because men play no part in any of this, do they?

Luna
 
Unfortunately, the CNN belief blogs are a place where a platform is given, usually to either woefully under-educated (in terms of faith) Christians of all backgrounds or to very well written atheists. It’s a joke. Very rarely do you see people strongly grounded in their faith, and able to form a strong argument supporting church teaching given an opportunity to explain their POV.

If you read the comment section, you’ll see these major types of responses.
  1. A Dawkin’s lover who refers to God as the “sky daddy”.
  2. A self-proclaimed recovering Christian who never understood their faith, and now thinks no one should follow it.
  3. A milksop who apologizes for their faith in the spirit of getting along.
  4. A strident racist/bigot who proclaims that he is the only authority on Christianity, and that everyone else is going to hell.
  5. Every 5th comment is to negate the RCC because of the abuse scandal.
Forget looking for intelligent, thoughtful discussions. You’ll have a better chance finding that on Justin Beiber videos over at youtube. 😛
 
Rose71 said:
I disagree with a lot of what she’s written, but I do believe it was written with sincerity. (
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I think that is the whole point of this post. She needs our prayers because she is sincere

CM
 
Voting4Life said:
Sure, you don’t see men taking the pill.
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And you never see them seeking the company of sexually available women, right? Or using condoms? Of passing along STIs?

The gates swing both ways, my friend.

Luna
 
cmscms said:
I think that is the whole point of this post. She needs our prayers because she is sincere

CM
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👍 I agree!

On the subject of men ‘not taking the pill’ - one of the most scary things about the pill is that in a secular society, it erodes the strength of a woman’s argument to say ‘no’.
When I was taught about contraception at school, it was with the message that it’s positively okay to have sex and a part of ‘growing up’ because we have contraception to protect us.

This sends out the wrong message - especially to teenagers who are somewhat hormonally-driven and lacking judgement (:D) because it takes away any reason - other than one of personal belief - for waiting until marriage because the risk of getting pregnant is seen as ‘the problem’ and contraception - ‘the solution’.

😦 One of the saddest expressions I see used in the media over here is the term, “I fell pregnant” Seriously, I know pregnancy is not without risks, but it is not a disease that one can catch like a cold! You don’t ‘fall’ pregnant - you become pregnant because you have had sexual intercourse: either unprotected or because the method of contraception you have chosen hasn’t worked. Once again, it’s eroding the validity and importance of human life and also eroding the responsibility of the individual for his / her actions.

The only way I know to fall pregnant is to land very awkwardly, by chance, on a man and somehow lose your knickers in the process:p
 
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