Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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I can’t find any concrete numbers, it looks quite anecdotal.
 
I think that what the young people are searching for is what is authentic.
 
In my experience, people flock to EF if they have had bad experiences with OF. Thankfully in my case, I’ve had good OF, for the most part.
 
So, the 1400 year traditional Latin Mass focuses on the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus and other Roman Catholic Masses (and Masses various other Catholic rites which do not use Latin) do not focus on the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus?

The EF is a beautiful Mass, but when it is held up as more reverent than others, those making such claims diminish both its reverence and beauty.

Personally, I often view young Catholics with interest in the Tridentine Mass is more because they see it as novel, or retro-chic.

But, as long as focusing on the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, all authorized Masses are Holy!
 
I don’t understand this drive to degrade the OF mass. It is beautiful and reverent, and I can soak up every word in English, my native language. Seriously, I wish people would stop dying on this hill. Enjoy the mass you prefer without slandering mine. Not every OF mass is a clown mass! It is insulting to insinuate that the OF mass is worldly.
 
Hey, wadya know: Another Trad thread bashing the OF Mass that will be locked within an hour :roll_eyes:
 
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I shall reiterate what I say every time I comment on an OF vs. EF thread.

I go to an EF Mass because most of the OF Masses around me can’t compete with the EF in terms of reverence and beauty.

Now, is that intrinsic to the OF Mass? I would say “No.” There are beautiful OF Masses in many places. Clear Creek Monastery in Oklahoma. Many liberal arts Catholics colleges.

But most of the OF Masses surrounding me at least can’t really compare to the EF. Such a sad state indeed.

Not the fault of the OF intrinsically. I blame lackluster seminaries and bad formation.
 
Why do people have to argue (and it’s on both sides and you know it). Why can’t people just appreciate that many many people love and are nourished by the OF, and ALSO appreciate that many people are loving and being nourished by the EF?

They are both valid rites. They both serve a purpose. Depending on your point of view you could be negative Nellies and focus on why ‘your rite’ is ‘better’, OR you could be positive Pollies and focus on how ‘your rite’ is helping you to grow; encouraging others, if they are so inclined, to check it out, but not acting as though every person who chooses one rite is rejecting, disparaging, hating, forcing etc.

Some people just like the vernacular. We can argue till the cows come home that for centuries people did fine with Greek, then Latin, explain about unity–but when it comes down to it, people who 'like to hear it IN MY OWN LANGUAGE" are just going to like hearing it, and will JUMP all over you as a rigid hater unless you slaveringly agree. SO it is better not to even GO THERE with language. In fact, it is best not to even compare, just to smillingly say, “You enjoy the EF? That’s great. I like the OF myself. Different strokes, right? I’ll say a prayer for you at Mass; please say one for me. God bless you” and just STOP before even STARTING to argue.
 
stpurl said:
Why can’t people just appreciate that many many people love and are nourished by the OF, and ALSO appreciate that many people are loving and being nourished by the EF?
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Because then they don’t get to feel superior.
 
I am really starting to think that this is really what these endless threads are all about.
 
My grandma was raised Plymouth Brethren. While she herself eventually ended up attending a contemporary Baptist church, she once took me a “closed” Brethren service and made it clear that it was something she looked up to… we sat off to the side while only the regulars sat around the table in a circle. I was told that we would have to attend for some time before we could be admitted to the circle around the table, after we had demonstrated our commitment and piety. One of her uncle’s held private services for his family in his own home as there wasn’t a church left in the world that hadn’t polluted its doctrine. My grandma often spoke of the small “faithful remnant” of “true believers”.

I see much of the same attitude among SOME so-called traditionalists.

For the record, I think the EF Mass is extremely beautiful, and I like my OF Mass with a bit of Latin and lots of chant.
 
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I go to an EF Mass because most of the OF Masses around me can’t compete with the EF in terms of reverence and beauty.
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This makes sense as those who attend the Latin Mass go for that reason.

But please remember that when the Latin Mass was the only Mass, there was plenty of variance in the amount of reverence that they were celebrated with.
 
This!!
Now the EF is celebrated and attended by people who CHOOSE to be there.
The reverence factor is because of that. When it was the only form, it too was abused.
 
As a child growing up, I disliked the Mass being said in Latin, because I did not understand Latin. I believe the words of the Mass should be understood. I do not believe the Mass it Latin makes it any more special or reverent. It just makes the Mass harder to follow. God wants us to understand the Mass and for us the glorify God through our worship at Mass. I do not think that saying the Mass in Latin is special. But understanding the Mass is.
 
I don’t mean this to be rude or condescending in any way, but do you believe that it was wrong for the Church to say Mass exclusively in Latin for at least a millenium and a half and that its worship during all that time was lacking? How do you square that up with Sancrosanctum Concillium claiming that Latin is to be preserved in Latin rites and John XXIII’s Veterum Sapientia, which clearly considers Latin to be superior to vernacular languages?
 
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