Young Catholics Causing Rebirth of Tridentine Mass

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I can honestly say I wouldn’t be a writer today if it weren’t for the passion for literature instilled in me by my high school Honors English teachers. And a particular college professor or two.
Of course one can be very successful without taking a single Honors or AP course. But I’m a big believer in their benefit. I believe in separate GATE classes, too, because I’ve seen how bright motivated, potential high achievers are held back by being mainstreamed with kids who couldn’t care less.
But I’m just crazy like that, lol!
No - I agree!!! They’re great when you can get them. I was always upset that we didn’t have them. I was AG myself (that’s what it was called back then) and participated in the TIP Program in seventh grade. Totally terrible of me but I’d get frustrated with kids who weren’t as quick as I was. I understand that completely.

But I look back and I see all that so many of us could’ve done at the time if we’d only had money.

I don’t think the courses are elitist. I think people who think those who don’t have them are bumpkins are elitist. People don’t have that stuff because there’s no money - not because people don’t want the programs.

I’m a good writer myself. I love to write. I totally get that. 🙂 If I could’ve written a novel over take calculus I’d have done it. LOL. 🙂

I had some AMAZING teachers. As I’ve aged I’ve looked back on them with increasing awe and gratitude because of all they did manage when our schools lacked so much. In my class alone we had Morehead Scholars, an Oxford Scholar, three at Duke, and two military academy grads. Statistically that should have never happened.
 
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Oh, I wouldn’t say I’m a good writer. The trick is to send your stuff in after the holidays, when submissions are down!

Think I’m older than you, btw. You’re just a pup!
 
Always felt I should look up my 11th grade English teacher and apologize to her. Profusely.
 
Always felt I should look up my 11th grade English teacher and apologize to her. Profusely.
I found out my calculus teacher has Alzheimer’s. That mind. Oh that mind of hers - in her youth (she was about 55-60 when I had her) it must have been almost a burden in her day, all that math talent and a woman. So sad. I think of her whenever I see “Hidden Figures”. That so could’ve been her.

Never mind us, folks. Sorry we hijacked. 🙂
 
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Taking Latin in college is fine. I have nothing against Latin. I just prefer Mass to be celebrated in a language I understand…
This whole thread has gotten into sort of issue about Latin.
If some want to hear Mass in Latin, I have no problem with that, but as for me, I want to hear Mass recited in English.
 
As a Millennial who attends the TLM (almost exclusively) these discussions always amuse me. It seems like every couple of weeks some Catholic internet liturgical hotshot writes up a piece about the supposed traditionalist springtime that should be coming to the Church any day now due to the influx of young people to the traditional liturgy. This is then countered by an alternative narrative about the youth not wanting tired old liturgies in a dead language, or some other such criticism. What seems to be lacking in both cases is actual (name removed by moderator)ut from the very young people who are the object of these discussions. I mean, I haven’t seen a single one of these articles actually interview people of my generation to figure out what it is that attracts us to the TLM (or doesn’t attract us, if that’s the conclusion you’re looking for).

Instead, these older “experts” make the observation that some 20s/30s are present at the TLM and they therefore must love Latin, embrace everything “traditional” under the sun, and must be actively rebelling against the liturgical reforms post-V2. Alternatively it is observed that the vast majority of young adults are still more than content with the OF, and so they must be graduates of Lifeteen, love guitars and drums in the liturgy, and don’t have much tolerance for more traditional forms of spiritual discipline. Both sides then draw causal relationships from correlative data about seminarians in traditionalist orders on one hand, and about the mass exodus from the Church of youth in general on the other hand. To be brutally honest, from my point of view it’s just two different groups of geriatrics trying to “claim us” for their own “team” without any concern for which team we want to be a part of, or if we even want to play along with this stupid liturgical pissing contest.

Would it kill ya to, I dunno, have an exit poll of TLMs? Ask us “young people flocking to the TLM” what we think? I know that all any of us here have in this argument are anecdotes, but my own experience (again as a 29 year old TLM attendee with a cohort of friends close to my age who also attend the TLM) is quite different from what I’ve read in any of these articles in Catholic media and from their subsequent threads here on CAF through which I’ve lurked.
 
Me personally:

• I couldn’t care less about Latin, and I know I’m far from being alone at least at my TLM parish. My preference for the TLM goes beyond language. If Pope Francis were to allow for the translation and celebration of the 1962 liturgy in English I’d start attending that over the current Latin one. Similarly, when I attend the OF I prefer the OF in English over the OF in Latin.

• I refuse to call myself a “traditionalist” and I actually correct people if they refer to me as such. That label reflects decades of animosity between two camps that frankly does not apply to me. I’m too young to have experienced the actual reforms, and I’m a convert to the Church so I wasn’t around in the 90s/00s when the application of the OF was allegedly so horrible. I have no dog in this fight and so I refuse to be dragged into it like a pawn. Furthermore, I’m quite put off by many of those in the Church who self-describe as traditionalist. I don’t like their opinions about Jews, women, science, LGBT people, among a host of other things, and too often those in the traditionalist camp expect a sort of ideological purity to be “one of them”. No thanks! Have fun hating the world, but that just ain’t my style.

• I don’t mind the Latin one bit. It’s not difficult to follow along seeing as I have this nifty gadget called a smart phone and I can pull up the propers (with their English translations) right before entering the church. I have recourse to these translations at the appropriate times during the liturgy. The Ordinary doesn’t change and after a couple months of frequent TLM attendance you know the bulk of it by heart, no different than you would with the OF.

• I do agree with traditionalists that in some cases the baby was thrown out with the proverbial bathwater in the decades following the council and its for that reason I’m trying to learn what I can about various traditional practices. Ones that I find, learn about, and feel a connection to I incorporate into my spiritual life. Ones that seem too antiquated I leave to the dustbin of history. Unlike many in the “traditionalist movement” I don’t feel obligated to incorporate anything and everything that was done by Catholics in 1950 simply because it was done in 1950.

Anyway, pardon the rant! 🙂
 
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This whole thread has gotten into sort of issue about Latin.
Laughing because I saw that coming as soon as I saw the title.

Also laughing in nervous embarrassment because I contributed to that problem. Sorry. (slunks off)
 
As the rock legend Janis Joplin once sang, “Worked hard on my Latin, no help from my friends. Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz…”
 
No denying, there are a lot of very bright kids in public schools too. I subbed AP Calculus a few years back, figuring I wouldn’t be expected to teach a lesson. I wasn’t. A 12th grader who had aced the class the year before taught it. I just watched. She was like a college professor already. I think she might be at Columbia, or Cal. 2300 SATs, something like that.
 
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Can’t say I hear that much at almost 45. I’ll take it. 🙂
I have to go to KofC meetings to get called “young man” these days . . .

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I was in Nordstroms the other day and got called “young miss” and “young lady”. I honestly didn’t realize she was talking about me for a little while.

🤣🤣🤣
 
A 12th grader who had aced the class the year before taught it.
YOU GO GIRL!!! 🙂

I knew someone like that. She walked out of the SATs going, “well I know I got all the math questions right” (she did - she scored a perfect 800) and did it with no scratch paper.

In a small way I almost hated her. LOL. 🙂
 
Pretty sure there are a few seminaries that make it mandatory for a quarter as well…
 
Mea maxima culpa.

🤣🤣

(No I didn’t have to look that up, but get much beyond that and I will. 🤣🤣🤣)
 
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