Young Earth Creationism Amongst Protestants.

[Benjamin8o8]

I think this is where so many amateur scientists get tripped up. They try their darndest to sound like the big guns in science, by saying “I don’t know.”, as if that is the ultimate in scientific honesty.

What they don’t seem as comfortable saying, probably because they don’t have he expertise they wish others to believe they have, is “I think”.

Without a working theory, you can’t learn.

You can’t be restricted by the theory, but you need it to build on. If you don’t think in terms of A, you can’t get to B. To ask a good question, you have to “think” something. And you have to have good, scientific reason to “think” it, or the question is no good.

So, “I think the Earth is 6,000 years old.” may be your personal thought, but unless your “theory” is based on good science, your questions won’t yeild good answers.

The same for our pseudo-scientists who try so hard to sound informed by saying “I don’t know.” If you know nothing, you can’t ask anything. If you have no theory, you are working on nothing.

All of us can read the work of others and admit “I don’t know.”

I`m not saying I believe the Earth is 6,000 years old but I have to admit, I did for a long time:blush:

Now I don`t know what to believe, I guess I need to start researching:thumbsup:

 

[iKnighty]

God is beyond all laws, so its not like a bunch of scientist can actually perform experience to see if He truly exists. God is beyond that. It`s just logic that God is the Author of everything that exists. If you know just a little bit of math, the propability that everything evoloved by chance is technically impossible.

The God of Abaham intervened through His prophters that revealed His words to us. Its our choice wether to accept them or not. But if you do hard research, I don´t know anybody why they wouldn`t.

“The God of Isreal is One, love your God with all of your heart, all of strenth, and with all of your soul”

This is what we Chrstians tend to do. We know we can´t see God, or test His existence, but we feel His love towards us and its only right to return the favor. Because that is basically the only thing He askes of us. Just like a father dosen´t much of his younger son/daugther besides their love.

God Bless.

I happen to know math (It’s one of the subjects I choose to get an A level for), and I’d like you to prove your claim that it’s almost impossible that everything evolved by chance.
Anyway evolution doesn’t happen by chance, whether mutations will be beneficial or not is the only chanceful aspect of it, but natural selection easily removes any malignant mutations from the gene pool.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

I happen to know math (It’s one of the subjects I choose to get an A level for), and I’d like you to prove your claim that it’s almost impossible that everything evolved by chance.
Anyway evolution doesn’t happen by chance, whether mutations will be beneficial or not is the only chanceful aspect of it, but natural selection easily removes any malignant mutations from the gene pool.

I choose to believe in an inteligent Designer, the fact that we have bananas, oranges, apples, coco, animals, trees, sand, beaches comes all from the Eternal Father that loves us and wants us to be happy. I don`t thing we have such a beautiful world because everything evolved by chance. In your profile it states your a deist, meaning you do believe in a God, so my post was only directed to you because after your santa claus comment which left me believing you were an athiest, someone who believes there is no God whatsoever.

 

[iKnighty]

I choose to believe in an inteligent Designer, the fact that we have bananas, oranges, apples, coco, animals, trees, sand, beaches comes all from the Eternal Father that loves us and wants us to be happy. I don`t thing we have such a beautiful world because everything evolved by chance. In your profile it states your a deist, meaning you do believe in a God, so my post was only directed to you because after your santa claus comment which left me believing you were an athiest, someone who believes there is no God whatsoever.

Again, nothing evolves by chance. And beauty is subjective.
I don’t believe in a God (capital G), I believe in a god (small g). I also don’t think that apples, bananas, we etc were designed. This god just put into motion a self-sustaining universe that doesn’t need its supervision. At least I speculate that. I don’t really attribute anything to it, because I can’t prove anything about it or it’s nature, currently.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Again, nothing evolves by chance. And beauty is subjective.
I don’t believe in a God (capital G), I believe in a god (small g). I also don’t think that apples, bananas, we etc were designed. This god just put into motion a self-sustaining universe that doesn’t need its supervision. At least I speculate that. I don’t really attribute anything to it, because I can’t prove anything about it or it’s nature, currently.

Interesting, well I might disagree with you but like previously said: I just replied to your santa clause comment. I dont care how many books, documentaries, blogs, magazines, articles athiests wrote attempting to eliminate God (the Author of the Universe) from our beliefs if they cant even answer the first question.

 

[iKnighty]

Interesting, well I might disagree with you but like previously said: I just replied to your santa clause comment. I dont care how many books, documentaries, blogs, magazines, articles athiests wrote attempting to eliminate God (the Author of the Universe) from our beliefs if they cant even answer the first question.

Do and believe whatever you want, I guess but I hope you don’t just believe in the Christian God just because you think their needs to be a creator.

 

[cerad]

I choose to believe in an inteligent Designer, the fact that we have bananas, oranges, apples, coco, animals, trees, sand, beaches comes all from the Eternal Father that loves us and wants us to be happy. I don`t thing we have such a beautiful world because everything evolved by chance. In your profile it states your a deist, meaning you do believe in a God, so my post was only directed to you because after your santa claus comment which left me believing you were an athiest, someone who believes there is no God whatsoever.

Quit your dancing and answer the question. You said clearly:

…If you know just a little bit of math, the propability that everything evoloved by chance is technically impossible.

So assuming that you know “a little bit of math” then please show how the scientific theory of evolution (I assume that is what you are talking about) is technically impossible. And here is a bit of motivation for you. A Nobel Prize has been reserved in your name as soon as you publish.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Quit your dancing and answer the question. You said clearly:

So assuming that you know “a little bit of math” then please show how the scientific theory of evolution (I assume that is what you are talking about) is technically impossible. And here is a bit of motivation for you. A Nobel Prize has been reserved in your name as soon as you publish.

answer what question?

I wasn`t saying the “theory of evolution” is impossible, but I was implying that evolution without God being the cause for it is impossible. The propability that everything evolved in the right place in the right time to evolve the way it did is just absurd in my opinion. This is why its logical that a God created all the cosmos, energy, and matter that we have. I also believe this is why we have Love, beuty, and everything else that is positive. That was my arugment brother.

 

[cerad]

answer what question?

I wasn`t saying the “theory of evolution” is impossible, but I was implying that evolution without God being the cause for it is impossible. The propability that everything evolved in the right place in the right time to evolve the way it did is just absurd in my opinion. This is why its logical that a God created all the cosmos, energy, and matter that we have. I also believe this is why we have Love, beuty, and everything else that is positive. That was my arugment brother.

So very sad. You won’t even show even a little bit of math. You didn’t “imply” you stated. It was not presented as an “opinion” but as a fact. Do you have any idea at all what evolution is?

 

[Benjamin8o8]

So very sad. You won’t even show even a little bit of math. You didn’t “imply” you stated. It was not presented as an “opinion” but as a fact. Do you have any idea at all what evolution is?

Yeah I have an idea, but I will be honest with you, when I was younger I never gave the theory any chance. Everytime I read any book concerning biology in school, I skimmed through it because I saw dates like 20 000, 800 000 4,5 mil and ect. Yes, call me ignorant for I was. When I was first doing my research when I was only in the 7nth grade, I believed everything what the Internet told me. I assume creationism was taken more serious at that time. My dad even met a very religious man, a devout Catholic who dismissed the theory of evolution. The way he spoke it seemed to me he has done his research so I took his word for it. The local priest however said we are like those birds with long necks(I don`t know their name) with our head in the sand avoiding everything surrounding us. I guess he was right now that creation is not something that deserves to be tought in the scientific area. But yeah, feel free to break it down for me. I need to reducate myself and follow evidence instead of what somebody else tells me.

 

[iKnighty]

answer what question?

I wasn`t saying the “theory of evolution” is impossible, but I was implying that evolution without God being the cause for it is impossible. The propability that everything evolved in the right place in the right time to evolve the way it did is just absurd in my opinion. This is why its logical that a God created all the cosmos, energy, and matter that we have. I also believe this is why we have Love, beuty, and everything else that is positive. That was my arugment brother.

Let me inform a little about how you are supposed to use ‘God’ and ‘god’, because I noticed that in most cases you’ve continuously used ‘God’ not ‘god’. You can only uses ‘God’, with a capital ‘G’, when referring to the Abrahamic god directly, not as I just used it right there. For example, when saying “I believe in God”. Now, ‘god’ is used when referring to any other other god that is not the Abrahamic god, not Allah, YHVH, or the Trinitarian god, or when you are not referring to God directly. For example, when saying “A god created the Earth”, you can’t say “A God created the Earth”, because there is only one God, and by adding ‘a’ before it you are implying there are several.

Your opinion does in no way affect truth, nor does it certainly reflect it. You cannot make your opinions dogma, you need to find out whether probability really supports your view or not.
If you believe in God because we have Love, beauty and positive things shouldn’t all the negative things make you stop believing in God?

 

[cerad]

This is a good place to start:
evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIntro.shtml

 

[kalt]

Do and believe whatever you want, I guess but I hope you don’t just believe in the Christian God just because you think their needs to be a creator.

You’ve made an “I believe” type claim yourself, and you didn’t respond when your assumption was challenged.

 

[kalt]

Let me inform a little about how you are supposed to use ‘God’ and ‘god’, because I noticed that in most cases you’ve continuously used ‘God’ not ‘god’. You can only uses ‘God’, with a capital ‘G’, when referring to the Abrahamic god directly, not as I just used it right there. For example, when saying “I believe in God”. Now, ‘god’ is used when referring to any other other god that is not the Abrahamic god, not Allah, YHVH, or the Trinitarian god, or when you are not referring to God directly. For example, when saying “A god created the Earth”, you can’t say “A God created the Earth”, because there is only one God, and by adding ‘a’ before it you are implying there are several.

Your opinion does in no way affect truth, nor does it certainly reflect it. You cannot make your opinions dogma, you need to find out whether probability really supports your view or not.
If you believe in God because we have Love, beauty and positive things shouldn’t all the negative things make you stop believing in God?

And your opinion of why Catholics accept evolution fact in no way affects truth, nor does it certainly reflect it.

Practice what you preach, man.

 

[iKnighty]

You’ve made an “I believe” type claim yourself, and you didn’t respond when your assumption was challenged.

I’m sorry if I missed something, but please can you tell what assumption of mine was challenged and where? Thanks.

And your opinion of why Catholics accept evolution fact in no way affects truth, nor does it certainly reflect it.

Practice what you preach, man.

I don’t remember expressing an opinion on why Catholics accept evolution as fact, care to tell me where I did that?

 

[kalt]

I’m sorry if I missed something, but please can you tell what assumption of mine was challenged and where? Thanks.

I don’t remember expressing an opinion on why Catholics accept evolution as fact, care to tell me where I did that?

Well, I would if I could. I went back to link to the post, and it wasn’t yours!

Forgive my stupidity on that one.

 

[iKnighty]

Well, I would if I could. I went back to link to the post, and it wasn’t yours!

Forgive my stupidity on that one.

Forgiven, everyone makes mistakes.

 

[Benjamin8o8]

This is a good place to start:
evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIntro.shtml

Thank you!

 

[cerad]

And your opinion of why Catholics accept evolution fact in no way affects truth, nor does it certainly reflect it.

Practice what you preach, man.

I guess it’s my opinion you were challenging. There are many threads on this board where, when asked about evolution, the posters answer with “The Pope said it was okay”. So that’s my not very strong support for my statement.

But they usually follow it up with the notion that Adam and Eve were real people, that they were the first to have souls and everybody descended directly from them. Original sin of course is transmitted genetically.

 

[AirLiner]

I applaud the OP for a good stance against YEC. Young Earth Creationism is a biproduct of fideism which doesn’t make sense at all. When, religion is no longer a matter of reason its no longer a matter of truth. The rise of fideism has made stances for religion extremely weak and thus resulted in the secularization of the western world.

The Catholic Church has always put much emphasis on reason and logic in its teachings. Even our moral teachings conform to reason (natural law).

Since for hundreds of years nobody could come up with a valid theory of evolution, we decided to often take the Genesis account literally though the Church has been open to an allegorical Genesis for hundreds of years also. Once Darwin came up with natural selection, there was a sudden surge in interest and evidence for evolution. Thus after seeing the validity of evolutionary biology, the Church leaned more towards the allegorical interpretation of Genesis. Since the Genesis account is a matter of history and not morals, we must use reason to figure out what it means. That is what the Church has always and still teaches today. Since the evidence is in favor of evolution, that’s why Catholics may take the allegorical interpretation of Genesis.