Young Singers Spread Racist Hate

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Why is it so hard to just say “Wow, this is wrong” without getting on a defensive soapbox, unless you somehow identify with these girls?

Every racial, and/or ethnic group has its regular, run-of-the-mill bigots, and ills. I don’t think anybody here embraces black racism, or honestly believes that white people are the only ones capable of being racist.
 
sea oat:
Why is it so hard to just say “Wow, this is wrong” without getting on a defensive soapbox, unless you somehow identify with these girls?

Every racial group has its regular, run-of-the-mill idiots, and ills. I don’t think anybody here embraces black racism, or honestly believes that blacks cannot be racist.
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I totally agree with you Sea Oat. I don’t think the OP wants to go back and look more closely at their web site. The lyrics to the songs would make things pretty clear!

Peace,
MSGirl
 
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TheBlackGhost:
Did I mention Africa at all? I was not aware I was talking about the socialization of Africa.
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You do not have to mention it. The belief that whites are the root cause of, and only ones involved in slavery is what is pretty void. White enslavement of blacks in this country lasted for only the blink of an eye compared to black enslavement of blacks which still goes merrily on.
I’m pretty sure I was talking about racisim in this country. And white’s have ended slavery? There are tons of white’s that also created slavery, including that of this country (The United States of America, not to be confused with Africa) so that entire statement is pretty void.
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It is not void at all. Almost all peoples of this earth have been involved in slavery at one time or another and as far as slavery in this country goes the complicity of the African leaders of the time is equal to that of the whites. The fact of the matter is that the U.S decided to end it in their own country (and did) long before many others.
I’m sorry if that sounded like a personal attack at all, but I mean cmon.
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No offense taken and no apology is necessary. This is a very hot issue and tensions tend to run a little high.
 
Chris LaRock:
We’re told to reject white racism, but tolerate black racism.
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Who tells us that?

I certainly haven’t seen anyone here excuse racism from black people while condemning it from white people.

Racism is an abomination - no matter who’s dishing.

The father says he took the swastika just to be in peoples’ faces - just to show that he could, that he had the right of free speech.

But, having the right to do something does not mean that we are right when we do it. The swastika is a symbol of a terrible massacre and unspeakable bigotry.

I have the **right **to put it on my car’s bumper. Somehow, I don’t believe the Lord would accept my excuse that I had the right to free speech in the face of all the people for whom such a symbol would cause pain.

Rudolph Hess is somehow now a sympathetic figure? He helped orchestrate the rise of the Third Reich! Whatever else he did could not ever ameliorate what he did in building up that kind of power for such an evil machine!
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2shelbys:
Being proud of your own people (whether white, black, or whatever) without allowing it to convince you that you are somehow superior to others is perfectly harmless.
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Pride in any aspect of ourselves comes with the implication that we ARE somehow superior to others.

If I am proud of my talent, then I am aware that I have something that many others do not. (And I am likewise perhaps bitterly aware that my talent is nothing compared to some that are far more gifted, so pride is not a good thing.)

I don’t have any more reason to be proud of my talent than I do of my race.

Neither are of my creation or choosing - both were given to me by my Creator!

But being proud of being white, black or whatever is even more mindless and silly than being proud of my talent - because at least I can understand that I have worked very hard for many years to develop that God-given talent and to increase the skill with which I engage in these arts.

What have I invested in my skin color, for heaven’s sake?

Not even an hour. Not one class have I taken. Not one book have I read. Not one minute have I spent practicing being white.
 
Like I said, our culture does by comdemning white supremacy and tolerating black supremacy.
 
Pride in any aspect of ourselves comes with the implication that we ARE somehow superior to others.
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You could not be more wrong. My wife and I are expecting our first child so I decided that the time had come to get off of my fat butt and get back in shape so I can hang around for a few more decades. I have lost 30 pounds so far and am going to lose more. I am proud of what I have done (so is my wife) and it does not in any way make me feel better than anyone else. It is a personal accomplishment and it has nothing to do with anyone else. I am also proud of my ability in playing guitar. Not because I am better than whoever but because I have tried to improve my ability over the years and have been able to do so. The only person I compare myself to is me at an earlier time. Those are just two examples of pride that is great and productive. You are confusing pride and arrogance. You can feel pride without feeling arrogant.
 
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2shelbys:
You do not have to mention it. The belief that whites are the root cause of, and only ones involved in slavery is what is pretty void. White enslavement of blacks in this country lasted for only the blink of an eye compared to black enslavement of blacks which still goes merrily on.

It is not void at all. Almost all peoples of this earth have been involved in slavery at one time or another and as far as slavery in this country goes the complicity of the African leaders of the time is equal to that of the whites. The fact of the matter is that the U.S decided to end it in their own country (and did) long before many others.
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Don’t forget this: no white man ever ran around Africa gathering up people for slaves. Africans enslaved Africans through just about any matter you can think of (wars, etc.), then sold them to Europeans and Americans.
 
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wabrams:
Don’t forget this: no white man ever ran around Africa gathering up people for slaves. Africans enslaved Africans through just about any matter you can think of (wars, etc.), then sold them to Europeans and Americans.
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Exactly right.
 
I agree with shelby and abrams

and thanks 2 shelby for teaching us about hess. I didn’t know that about him.

As for the person who said that anything else he did cannot ameliorate that one thing he did, that doesn’t sound very Christian to me. There are stories of people who were once great sinners but who then reformed their lives and eventually everyone in the community forgot about their past and knew them only as greeat saints. Saying to someone, “Because you did this thing, there’s nothing you could ever do in the future to ameliorate it” is not Catholic. We ameliorate it by going to confession and doing penance. Even the greatest sinner, if he repents and reforms and proceeds to lead a life of heroic virtue can be a great saint. This applies to everybody including those you think are much greater sinners than you ever were. 🙂

In contrast to everyone’s focus on this one kind of sin (which seems like venial sin – I’m not saying these girls are committing it), the Catechism of the Catholic Church does not include one mention of the word “racism” or even one mention of the word “racist.” Let’s look at our own hearts before we judge these young women (and look at their website as shelby did and learn history)
 
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2shelbys:
I could not find any reference to Hess on their site but any tribute to him would probably be based on the fact that after lengthy discussions through the Duke of Windsor, Hess flew to England to attempt to bring about an end of hostilities between Germany and Britian. In many circles it has always been questioned why he was kept in prison longer than any other German even though he left Germany long before any of the Holocaust events occurred. The U.S. requested his release several times but it was always blocked by Britian. What did he know that they did not want made public? The fact that the war could have been over years earlier, even before the U.S entered it?
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Hess was pretty much off his rocker. He flew on an unauthorized mission to Scotland to meet with the Duke of Hamilton. He told the British that if they didn’t resist Germany, they would not be molested by Hitler. During his captivity in England during WWII (he was treated as any high ranking POW was treated), he displayed characteristics of paranoid schizophrenia. He was tried at Nuremberg and imprisoned by ther Soviets. Hess most likely went mad.

Source:
historyplace.com/worldwar2/biographies/apr-hess-cal.htm
 
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2shelbys:
You could not be more wrong.
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You are entitled to your opinion.

But, having taken a hard look at my life, I’ve had to face the long-reaching and ugly effects of pride in my life. Pride has been at the root of nearly everything bad I’ve ever done and I would be quite happy to have my life emptied of it. Pride can put you directly into the service of evil. Sadly, I have much direct knowledge of this.

I don’t want to be proud of anything. (Least of all, something over which I have never exerted myself for even a second. Black pride, white pride… as if we created our skin color! :rolleyes: )
tuopaulo:
As for the person who said that anything else he did cannot ameliorate that one thing he did, that doesn’t sound very Christian to me. (snipped) This applies to everybody including those you think are much greater sinners than you ever were.
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I didn’t say a single word about Hess’s salvation - that’s between he and God. He could well be in heaven for all I know and it certainly isn’t up to ME to second-guess that decision.

I also never said that he was any greater a sinner than I am or that he was beyond redemption! When I pray the Fatima prayer, ***I ***am one of those who is “most in need” of His mercy! I don’t get into the comparison thing.

My point was that we should not honor such hate-filled, monstruous people here on earth, even in such a case as this one, where he attempted to make a gesture of cease-fire.

We should denouce evil when we see it, not wear cute little Hitler smiley t-shirts and sing hymns of praise to it.
 
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ElizabethJoy:
You are entitled to your opinion.

But, having taken a hard look at my life, I’ve had to face the long-reaching and ugly effects of pride in my life. Pride has been at the root of nearly everything bad I’ve ever done and I would be quite happy to have my life emptied of it. Pride can put you directly into the service of evil. Sadly, I have much direct knowledge of this.

I don’t want to be proud of anything. (Least of all, something over which I have never exerted myself for even a second. Black pride, white pride… as if we created our skin color! :rolleyes: )
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I am sorry but it is not an opinion, it is a fact. You state that it is impossible to be proud without being arrogant and that is simply not true as I showed in my last post. It may be impossible for you, but you can not assume that everyone is like you. It was arrogance that was “at the root of everything bad you have ever done” not pride, and pride is certainly not evil. Only you know how you feel but you can not speak for others. As for me, if I had no accomplishments in my life of which to be proud (not arrogant) I would feel as if I had been lazy and wasted my life.
 
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