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My first reaction is…you’re alive. Further, the way you portrayed the scenario of the staff giving up and you being suddenly healed sounds pretty close to divine intervention.
"Your Guardian Angel Prays For You Continuously." An account in a Catholic publication
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It was divine intervention, apologies if I didn’t make that clear. This ties into the very posts I made.
I was saved, spared, however you want to phrase it, then discarded and left here to do whatever.
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Well, that’s good to know that you consider it divine intervention.
Now, consider Moses’ life. I don’t have the time to go into all the details, but he had a very rough life for many years. However, each part of his life was “training” of sorts, in order to prepare him for the ultimate mission God asked him to accomplish.
Perhaps you (and me, and all of us) should “go with the flow,” praying and trusting that God will do what is necessary in order for us to be prepared for whatever role in this world He wants us to perform.
Now, consider Moses’ life. I don’t have the time to go into all the details, but he had a very rough life for many years. However, each part of his life was “training” of sorts, in order to prepare him for the ultimate mission God asked him to accomplish.
Perhaps you (and me, and all of us) should “go with the flow,” praying and trusting that God will do what is necessary in order for us to be prepared for whatever role in this world He wants us to perform.
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Reading the story about Job without meditating on it will always make something just a ‘good read’. The bible is more than a good read but that is another topic. Have you read The Power of Silence by Robert Cardinal Sarah and especially the chapter titled: God’s Silence in the Face of Evil Unleashed?
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Beautiful angel from heaven so bright, watching besides me to keep me alright, fold thy wings round me and guard me with love, beautiful angel from heaven above. 
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Shasta4737
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Zaccheus,
You sound very down and depressed. Have you tried seeing a therapist? I’ve fought depression most of my life and have been helped so much by cognitive therapy. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Susan
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I’ll start going out of my way when Christ actually begins to show signs that he cares about me, His creation, and not a nebulous collective that I may or may not be a part of. Until then, I’m going to fulfill my most basic obligations; attend weekly mass, avoid blatant mortal sins, and keep a roof over my head. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more–and when I finally meet God, I see what comes of it.
You sound very down and depressed. Have you tried seeing a therapist? I’ve fought depression most of my life and have been helped so much by cognitive therapy. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
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June 29I’ve found, from both my early life experiences, and from other Christians, my ma and pop respectively, that this “excessive grace” mentality doesn’t actually fix any problems in the person’s life. It’s almost as though, God, seeing that individual’s perserverence, deems them “satisfactory”, and abstains from blessing the individual with their heart’s desire for this reason if no other. I see where this very specific lifestyle leads, and I hopped off that route a long time ago. I’m tired of being subjected to the same “immortal” trends that so many others have to endure. It gets irritating after a while. Sure, “suffering will exist”, and yes, “we won’t always get what we want”, but when we never get certain prayers granted, and the same tribulations automatically loop like a playlist on a budget radio station, it starts to sound less like genuine truths, and more like blanket platitudes designed to cover for situations that not even the apologists can explain anymore.
I’ll start going out of my way when Christ actually begins to show signs that he cares about me, His creation, and not a nebulous collective that I may or may not be a part of. Until then, I’m going to fulfill my most basic obligations; attend weekly mass, avoid blatant mortal sins, and keep a roof over my head. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more–and when I finally meet God, I see what comes of it.
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I’m not sure if others see your post, or if you’ll get the response (since it says it has been sent via email), however, I’m not depressed, my relationship with God is in shambles, however, and that’s not a problem that a therapist is suited to treat. I’m not frustrated because I hate my life, rather, life is wonderful and full of possibilities, yet God has placed me amidst absolute mundanity. This isn’t depression, it’s disappointment at a God I expected better from. He’s the only person that makes me this livid, since He was the one I cared most about. I used to cling to God before all others, yet, apparently because Christ helped “the world” back then, that gives Him a pass not to be the brother, father, and counselor that He promised to be today
(Matthew 12:50), (Hebrews 2:11), (Ephesians 1:5), (John 14:16). I don’t just need Jesus 2000 years ago, I need Him here, now, when and where I actually exist, and He’s nowhere to be found.
With that said, however, someone above suggested I read a book. Hopefully I’ll be able to get my hands on one and meditate on its contents sooner rather than later; I’m undoubtedly frustrated at God’s flagrant inactivity, however I’m not completely closed off to the idea of opening my heart to Him again. If things go well, perhaps my deepest desires may be granted, and/or the relationship can be repaired, if not, chances are I’ll be around for a while, and if world trends are indicative of anything, God isn’t mandatory in achieving worldly success, so I can still carve out a good living for me and my own self, which, while inconsiderate, isn’t illegal, and doesn’t seem to be objectively immoral.
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http://pamphlets.org.au/docs/cts/england/html/ctsd382.html
Suffering really brings out the truth of how we relate to God and how we view God. O we grow up (if you r a cradle Cath.) seeing the crucifix in church, in homes and we might even wear a crucifix but if we have not learned as a child that suffering is a part of life, then as we grow into adulthood we question this God who is suppose to love us. It takes character to keep plugging away by seeking answers from those who say they understand the questions you ask. When they say they have been there and yet remain faithful and faith filled in the end. Hoping you keep searching.
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-676.shtml
And whitesmokeahoy: 'Delight in the Lord' - by Rev Daniel Considine S.J.
And ( trying to wet your appetite) Little Crosses+++ Rev. Daniel Considine, S.J. | Finer Femininity This priest was able to give great advice…If you can get your hands on Confidence in God and really digest it, I wonder what you will say then.
Suffering really brings out the truth of how we relate to God and how we view God. O we grow up (if you r a cradle Cath.) seeing the crucifix in church, in homes and we might even wear a crucifix but if we have not learned as a child that suffering is a part of life, then as we grow into adulthood we question this God who is suppose to love us. It takes character to keep plugging away by seeking answers from those who say they understand the questions you ask. When they say they have been there and yet remain faithful and faith filled in the end. Hoping you keep searching.
https://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-676.shtml
And whitesmokeahoy: 'Delight in the Lord' - by Rev Daniel Considine S.J.
And ( trying to wet your appetite) Little Crosses+++ Rev. Daniel Considine, S.J. | Finer Femininity This priest was able to give great advice…If you can get your hands on Confidence in God and really digest it, I wonder what you will say then.
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Odilon
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Don’t worry, He is here, but for some reason you have just closed your mind to Him. You need to accept Him on His terms, not yours - you have no choice but to submit. Look, you are not the only one with problems. I have one that keeps coming back from time to time (in my own mind) and it still eats at me and it’s something that happened 32 years ago! How do I deal with it? I pray and simply ask God to help me in this life everyday and I know He does because I am still here plugging away.
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This is one of the many narratives I see from Christians suffering with physical and mental ailments. It is almost contradictory; You claim that God is not only with you, but helping you, and yet all these years later you’re still ailed? When Jesus walked the Earth and “helped” those who were receptive, He spoke with but a single command and at once they were absolutely healed (John 5:8) (John 4:50-54) (Mark 1:41-42). Furthermore, Jesus also promised us that He is unchanging (Hebrews 13:8), so you’d think that if Jesus was truly granting your prayers, you would notice results as they did.
Trauma (which it seems you’re implying is your illness) has been historically known to alternate between activity and dormancy. That has nothing to do with the supernatural, however; It’s simply a chemical process, which is usually reactivated through triggering circumstances. If you do indeed have trauma, next time you believe that God has granted you a “grace period”, meditate on the situation that triggered your problems in the first place, and see how you react.
Perhaps, in this way, I’ve closed my mind to a version of God. When I spend minutes to hours praying (especially when praying rosaries), I pray with the expectation that I’ll be dealing with the same God that was active 2000… no, millions, of years ago. I don’t know who this “new” God that half answers prayers is, but He’s not in my Bible, and I don’t know Him. I know the God I read about, and that’s not it son. With that said, I believe the statement that God hasn’t been present in my life, and furthermore, that my Guardian Angel is perhaps as apathetic as I am, haven’t been debunked.
…Upon reading over my own comment(s), I realized that I’m kind of a jerk. Looks like I didn’t respond to God’s negligence quite as gracefully as my other brethren.
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Hello Zaccheus,
I’m not Catholic; I was born and raised Quaker. I have a Quaker book for you that might be helpful. It’s title is “A Place to Stand” by Elton Trueblood. It really helped me renew my faith. It’s available on Amazon. You might check it out.
God Bless you,
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(Matthew 12:50), (Hebrews 2:11), (Ephesians 1:5), (John 14:16). I don’t just need Jesus 2000 years ago, I need Him here, now, when and where I actually exist, and He’s nowhere to be found.
With that said, however, someone above suggested I read a book. Hopefully I’ll be able to get my hands on one and meditate on its contents sooner rather than later; I’m undoubtedly frustrated at God’s flagrant inactivity, however I’m not completely closed off to the idea of opening my heart to Him again. If things go well, perhaps my deepest desires may be granted, and/or the relationship can be repaired, if not, chances are I’ll be around for a while, and if world trends are indicative of anything, God isn’t mandatory in achieving worldly success, so I can still carve out a good living for me and my own self, which, while inconsiderate, isn’t illegal, and doesn’t seem to be objectively immoral.
I’m not Catholic; I was born and raised Quaker. I have a Quaker book for you that might be helpful. It’s title is “A Place to Stand” by Elton Trueblood. It really helped me renew my faith. It’s available on Amazon. You might check it out.
God Bless you,
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June 29I’m not sure if others see your post, or if you’ll get the response (since it says it has been sent via email), however, I’m not depressed, my relationship with God is in shambles, however, and that’s not a problem that a therapist is suited to treat. I’m not frustrated because I hate my life, rather, life is wonderful and full of possibilities, yet God has placed me amidst absolute mundanity. This isn’t depression, it’s disappointment at a God I expected better from. He’s the only person that makes me this livid, since He was the one I cared most about. I used to cling to God before all others, yet, apparently because Christ helped “the world” back then, that gives Him a pass not to be the brother, father, and counselor that He promised to be today
(Matthew 12:50), (Hebrews 2:11), (Ephesians 1:5), (John 14:16). I don’t just need Jesus 2000 years ago, I need Him here, now, when and where I actually exist, and He’s nowhere to be found.
With that said, however, someone above suggested I read a book. Hopefully I’ll be able to get my hands on one and meditate on its contents sooner rather than later; I’m undoubtedly frustrated at God’s flagrant inactivity, however I’m not completely closed off to the idea of opening my heart to Him again. If things go well, perhaps my deepest desires may be granted, and/or the relationship can be repaired, if not, chances are I’ll be around for a while, and if world trends are indicative of anything, God isn’t mandatory in achieving worldly success, so I can still carve out a good living for me and my own self, which, while inconsiderate, isn’t illegal, and doesn’t seem to be objectively immoral.
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Shasta4737
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Zaccheus,
Here’s a link to the book on Amazon. You can also download a free sample. I’ve given you a link to the e book, but it should be available in paper and hardcover used:
https://smile.amazon.com/Place-Stan...72&s=gateway&sprefix=a+place+to+stand+&sr=8-2
Blessings,
Susan
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(Matthew 12:50), (Hebrews 2:11), (Ephesians 1:5), (John 14:16). I don’t just need Jesus 2000 years ago, I need Him here, now, when and where I actually exist, and He’s nowhere to be found.
With that said, however, someone above suggested I read a book. Hopefully I’ll be able to get my hands on one and meditate on its contents sooner rather than later; I’m undoubtedly frustrated at God’s flagrant inactivity, however I’m not completely closed off to the idea of opening my heart to Him again. If things go well, perhaps my deepest desires may be granted, and/or the relationship can be repaired, if not, chances are I’ll be around for a while, and if world trends are indicative of anything, God isn’t mandatory in achieving worldly success, so I can still carve out a good living for me and my own self, which, while inconsiderate, isn’t illegal, and doesn’t seem to be objectively immoral.
Here’s a link to the book on Amazon. You can also download a free sample. I’ve given you a link to the e book, but it should be available in paper and hardcover used:
https://smile.amazon.com/Place-Stan...72&s=gateway&sprefix=a+place+to+stand+&sr=8-2
Blessings,
Susan
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June 29I’m not sure if others see your post, or if you’ll get the response (since it says it has been sent via email), however, I’m not depressed, my relationship with God is in shambles, however, and that’s not a problem that a therapist is suited to treat. I’m not frustrated because I hate my life, rather, life is wonderful and full of possibilities, yet God has placed me amidst absolute mundanity. This isn’t depression, it’s disappointment at a God I expected better from. He’s the only person that makes me this livid, since He was the one I cared most about. I used to cling to God before all others, yet, apparently because Christ helped “the world” back then, that gives Him a pass not to be the brother, father, and counselor that He promised to be today
(Matthew 12:50), (Hebrews 2:11), (Ephesians 1:5), (John 14:16). I don’t just need Jesus 2000 years ago, I need Him here, now, when and where I actually exist, and He’s nowhere to be found.
With that said, however, someone above suggested I read a book. Hopefully I’ll be able to get my hands on one and meditate on its contents sooner rather than later; I’m undoubtedly frustrated at God’s flagrant inactivity, however I’m not completely closed off to the idea of opening my heart to Him again. If things go well, perhaps my deepest desires may be granted, and/or the relationship can be repaired, if not, chances are I’ll be around for a while, and if world trends are indicative of anything, God isn’t mandatory in achieving worldly success, so I can still carve out a good living for me and my own self, which, while inconsiderate, isn’t illegal, and doesn’t seem to be objectively immoral.
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Some things that happen to us in life never go away and can indeed come back from time to time. Yes He has helped me in this, to allow me to see the great sins that I had committed beforehand and he used this incident to touch me to the core. I messed things up, not Him, and He held out His hand to me despite my great offenses.
When I doubt Him as I sometimes do, (we all do, even the Saints did) I stop and reflect on the miracles that have actually happened in my life from time to time and that truth get’s me back on track. Where can I go? Where can you go?
Nothing changes the fact that we need Him more than He needs us. He is safe in the heavenly realm while we are stuck in this cold cruel world of constant struggle. You do as you wish, I am sticking with the Lord.
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I do admire your honesty on this, but you must realize that are never going to get heaven here on earth - that my friend is an impossibility. Complete satisfaction and comfort is on the other side of the dimension we now find ourselves in.
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Thank you, Divine 3, I’ll check your links, too. I’m a Quaker always interested in Catholicism as well. My prayer life has been so dry lately. I used to keep a prayer journal that I wrote in every morning for years. I want to start it again. Blessings to you.
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We should rather be focusing on what God expects from us.
Especially since your life is not even awful according to you, it’s just mundane.
I’m baffled at people who get mad or disappointed at God over basically nothing. I can understand it if their beloved child or spouse died or a horrible injustice happened and they are asking, “God, why did you let this awful thing happen?” but getting disappointed at God because your life is not exciting, and focusing on “worldly success” without God as a goal, is just odd. I hope you find whatever you’re looking for because if I thought like that, I probably would not have bothered to remain on earth to be honest. There would not be a point to my staying here.
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Tis_Bearself, I think you meant to reply to zaccheus. I’m not the person with this issue. I’m just trying to help him. Blessings
Tis_Bearself
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I’m sorry about that. It was very hard to follow from the quotes in your post who said what. I see now I should have replied to Zaccheus.
Discourse needs a better way to handle nested quotes. phpBB is much better with those. Sorry again!
Discourse needs a better way to handle nested quotes. phpBB is much better with those. Sorry again!
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Odilon, Did you know this book Angels and Demons is lending enabled? If you bought this on Amazon as an e book you can lend it to one person free for 14 days, I believe. The instructions on lending are at Amazon. It 'll automatically come back to you at the end of the time period. No lost books! Any book that states “lending enabled” can be loaned.
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That’s okay, Tis_Bearself. I’m just learning how to use this forum, and I make mistakes. Cheers!
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