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Meedo has also stated that God has always deemed some people “worthless”!
We can easily imagine who he means by that! That is definitely not hopeful either!Vickie
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We can easily imagine who he means by that! That is definitely not hopeful either!Vickie
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Sometimes a cross is necessary…the answer to Islam is not returning kind for kind…I don’t assume I know a lot about Islam…but what I do know about God is that he calls his people to peace…“as far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men…”…death may be their answer to us…I don’t know…if it is…an empty tomb awaits in answer to the cross…of that I am certain.
Dialog works both ways…but showing love to the unlovely only has to work one way for it to be love.
There are no easy answers…but I wonder if we speak so loudly to Muslims in our words…they can’t hear the words of One who would gather them to Himself…our voices are all He has in this world…I don’t excuse Islam from what they do…but there has to be a better way than what we’ve done so far.
Dialog works both ways…but showing love to the unlovely only has to work one way for it to be love.
There are no easy answers…but I wonder if we speak so loudly to Muslims in our words…they can’t hear the words of One who would gather them to Himself…our voices are all He has in this world…I don’t excuse Islam from what they do…but there has to be a better way than what we’ve done so far.
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cestusdei
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What I have seen indicates that being strong and confronting the issues directly actually serves the truth when dealing with muslims. I see no reason to allow them to get away with persecuting Christians and not calling them on it. That is not nice to our fellow Christians whose heads are being sliced off.
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Cest,
I certainly agree with your comments. I find some hope, however, in meedo because he otherwise shows some genuine sensitivity and general love for his fellow man. This can be something that helps to lead him to see the truth in Christianity and to properly question those areas of Islam that do not conform to that view.
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cestusdei
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I hope you are correct. However he has not shown a great deal of discomfort with those ideas merely with how they are implemented. In a way it is fascinating how someone who comes across rather nice can hold such beliefs. I really wish there were some good studies on this.
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Pug
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I can’t find a response that fits my state of mind, so I’ll share a bit. I think having a Muslim on the board from whom people have learned to expect helpful, straight answers is a plus, because then if we do have a question, we know who to ask.
However, the threads themselves have been frustrating to me. The ones that I have read are too cluttered with extra talk for me to wade through successfully. I know little of Islam. Perhaps if I knew more, I could better wade through, as I can in Protestant/Catholic dialogues. I honestly don’t know where a typical Muslim comes from in terms of how they think, or what matters to them, or how it is different from me. I only occasionally read the threads on the non-Catholic board, though, and perhaps if I were to invest more time in this board, I’d not have this problem. So, from me anyway, you are getting the view of someone who has read a number of your posts scattered over the years, enough to definitely recognize you, but who hasn’t posted much to this board.
I am not inclined to judge the average Muslim by what I read on this board, as I know perfectly well that the internet is not inhabited by a representative cross-section of the American population, so why should I expect it to be inhabited by a perfect cross-section of Islam? So if some of the posters are nuts, I don’t hold that against Islam. But this also means that I am only likely to feel that I am getting the real scoop if I have known the poster for awhile.
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I must be on Meedo’s ignore list because he never responds to my posts anymore!Didn’t vote – mostly I found myself utterly amazed by your patience with the rest of this crowd and the xenophobia often displayed here. You and John Allison especially are quite inspiring
I would really like to know why he’s so ungrateful to the pharaohs calling them “worthless”, since a lot of Egypt’s revenue comes from tourists.
The correct name is Joseph Alison, whom I respect very much in spite of locking horns with him on these discussions.
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Booklover
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In a talk called “Adorer and Crusader” A Call to be a Militant Catholic, professor Plineo Correa de Oliveira stated:
"Many people claim we should always be gentle and kind, regardless of circumstances. Of course we should be gentle and kind, but we must take care that “gentle and kind” be not another term for “politically correct”. The Crusader-like spirit transposed to the field of doctrine is orthodoxy. “Let your speech be yea, yea, no, no.” (Matt. 5:37).
A Catholic is not gentle and kind because he feels like being gentle and kind. A Catholic is gentle and kind because his Master is the Lamb of God. But that same Lamb of God defended His Father’s honor fearlessly in the Temple, against the money changers and against all those who wished to call black, white and white, black—or white, gray."
How does what you say work with people who find kindness and charity to be a weakness, who are not moved by it, who actually feel contempt for those sentiments? Are you advocating becoming doormats for everyone to step on? Ask a Muslim what he thinks of “loving your enemies”.
How do you deal with the fact that Islam’s ultimate goal is world domination? That it wants to destroy all forms of governments and religions and establish itself in their place, since Islam is both a political ideology/religion?
What do you feel when you hear that Islam advocates stoning of adulterers and the cutting off of hands of thieves? Does nothing ever ruffle your serenity? Are you not outraged that these things are being practiced today? That Islam advocates the killing of apostates, for as one Muslim poster stated, “When once you embrace the truth, you should not be allowed to leave it”?? what happened to free will?
How can we coexist peacefully with people who advocate these practices?? With people who believe that music is evil?
In England one Muslim agitator is even calling for the deaths of those Muslims in the military who would fight for England instead of Islam!
Vickie
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exoflare
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Hey guys,
I just wanted to say, most of these responses have been dead-on so far. It’s almost like you’re reading my mind.
I just wanted to say, most of these responses have been dead-on so far. It’s almost like you’re reading my mind.
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jack_hawkins
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The essential thing with most Muslims is that they may well seem reasonable on the surface - however if you ask them the right questions eg about jihad, Mohammed, non-Muslims/dhimmis you will find that they generally share values which we find well disgraceful. The genuinely moderate Muslims will be decried as not proper Muslims, which is true. Until Islam has a transformation, we cannot align ourselves with the Mohammedans in any way. We are after all in the house of war, us infidels.
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Chamberlin thought a note from Hitler would assure “Peace in our time” because he assumed that Hitler was as honourable a man as he was.
It’s noble of you to judge people as decent as yourself, unfortunately they’re not always. When they ascribe to a belief system that encourages lying for the sake of religion then you might want to think twice before accepting every assurance you get.
If only Chamberlin had read Mein Kampf. I suggest you read up more about Islam
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Montalban
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They are. Just act normal and switch to a garlic shampoo.Hey guys,
I just wanted to say, most of these responses have been dead-on so far. It’s almost like you’re reading my mind.
Line stolen:
Amy: (whispering) Just act normal and switch to a garlic shampoo.
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Thanks.
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