Your Notre Dame Mormon on Continuous Revelation

[IAMLDS]

dude! the prohibition in the D&C was CANONIZED until 1876. We know it was openly practiced then. the scripture contradicted the teaching and practice of the “prophet” and the church. the time it was forbidden was the same time they were doing it! there was also the phenomenon of now it’s required, now it’s forbidden, now it’s okay, now it’s not, multiple times. where’s the “higher law” there? what about Pres. Hinckley’s comments? he implies that it’s all about obeying the law and refernces the article of faith on that which was in effect back when the LDS church was openly disobeying the law on this.

The Isrealites in the desert would have experienced this same issue. They were told by a prophet to enter the Land of Promise and leave no breathing thing alive. They were the provokers of war, and the Isrealite armies killed men, women, and children. Time and again in Deuteronomy chapter 2 it says, “…and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.”

They did all this while marching around with the Ark of the Covenant which had a stone tablet which said “Thou shalt not kill”.

My point is the Isrealites had a command from God they had to obey, one which contradicted a written commandment. What God commands, man must obey.

 

[Integritus]

Does the Catholic Church teach the Pope receives ongoing revelation from God?

Sorry for the late reply.

I think you have already received some well responses from others concerning your question, and I hoped it has clarified it for you.

Let me simply add: the one, perfect, and complete Revelation from God is His Spoken Word, God’s Word in the Flesh, who is Christ. So… the Word was spoken among us. Now what? Proper definition or “care” of the Word which is the duty of the Catholic Church which was promised and given the Holy Spirit (“If I go [through the cross], I will send him [the Holy Spirit] to you. When he comes, however, being the Spirit of Truth, he wil guide you to all truth” John 16:7,13") Notice the future tense when Jesus’ speaks and the conditional “if” which depends on His departure.

When I listed the unbroken line of succession of the Bishop of Rome (the Pope, successor of Peter), I am not suggesting that each pope has a new revelation. I am suggesting that its the role of the Magisterium (the Pope and Bishops in union) to properly define the Revealed Word for the protection of the faithful when errors of men promulgate within faith and morals, whether in the Church or in secularity, thus ensuring that the truth prevails which Christ promised. Not that the Pope or any Bishop has created a new Word (Revelation) unto the world.

Whereas, in Mormom theology, the LDS’ highest “Prophet” is implying that the Word of God is still being added to or even corrected and changed (all through his personal revelation), and thus the LDS Prophet becomes the mouthpiece of God, almost as a Chirst unto himself (since Christ is the True High Prophet and the Spoken Word of God).

In essence, revelation itself seems to be understood completely different in Mormonism from Catholicism and most other Christians. Part of the reason why most Christian churches don’t recognize Mormonism as Christianity.

May the One God bless you.

 

[majick275]

The Isrealites in the desert would have experienced this same issue. They were told by a prophet to enter the Land of Promise and leave no breathing thing alive. They were the provokers of war, and the Isrealite armies killed men, women, and children. Time and again in Deuteronomy chapter 2 it says, “…and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.”

They did all this while marching around with the Ark of the Covenant which had a stone tablet which said “Thou shalt not kill”.

My point is the Isrealites had a command from God they had to obey, one which contradicted a written commandment. What God commands, man must obey.

once again…linguistics! the israelites were told thou shalt not murder. They were told to kill animals, people, etc. numerous times.

The D&C 101 scripture leaves no doubt that it is not acceptable uunder any cicumstances and proclaims to the world that the LDS do not do it. That was a lie. when canonized scripture lies there is a problem.

 

[IAMLDS]

Killing when not commanded to do so equals murder.

Killing when commanded to do so does not equal murder.

Polygamy practiced as commanded equals a marital life acceptable to God. See the lives of Issac, and Jacob…etc. I disagree that it was simply tolerated by God.

Polygamy practiced not as commanded by God equals sin.

 

[Saint_Michael]

I think the priesthood ban for blacks shows what an utter failure the LDS continuing revelation has been. It’s a real conundrum for the LDS.

On the one hand, the priesthood ban denied the priesthood to men based on nothing more than their skin color. If it was from God, then God is an unmitigated racist and believed only white people were worthy of the celestial kingdom and exaltation to godhood. On the other hand if it was manmade error on something as serious and doctrinal as the priesthood, then that calls to question every other doctrine the LDS say is from continuing revelation.

You can go to FAIR message boards and see this subject never has a good answer from LDS, and they really wish it would just go away. Some people say the priesthood ban on blacks was a mistake, well it was a long mistake then, because it wasn’t reversed until 1978. What other “revelation mistakes” are currently being put forth as doctrine then? It’s just not a good answer because it calls to question every LDS doctrine as possibly invalid, and the idea of continuing revelation as not nearly 100% in discerning what is from God.

 

[majick275]

Killing when not commanded to do so equals murder.

Killing when commanded to do so does not equal murder.

Polygamy practiced as commanded equals a marital life acceptable to God. See the lives of Issac, and Jacob…etc. I disagree that it was simply tolerated by God.

Polygamy practiced not as commanded by God equals sin.

there is a huge semantic difference between killing and murder.

There is no difference between the original D&C 101 and a lie.
We don’t practice polygamy but really we do.