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Atk_Aheeni
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I agree but fromt there refrences about everyone bieng gods of there own planet and jesus and his wives and so on and so on do the mormons really believe that?
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RyanL
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Hear, hear!
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christianley
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Some do. Some don’t. Most Mormons are inactive and don’t care.I agree but fromt there refrences about everyone bieng gods of there own planet and jesus and his wives and so on and so on do the mormons really believe that?
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zerinus
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This appears to be your chief mantra. You are always harping on about the Book of Mormon not being true. Let me put your mind at rest once and for all by assuring you that your protestations do not cut any ice with me. I have no doubts in my mind what so ever that the Book of Mormon is true. I know it as surely as I could possibly know the truth of anything. Yes, Lehi did indeed sail from Jerusalem, and everything else that is recorded in that book is true.
If we did not have the conviction that the book is true, do you think that we would have the confidence to put is at the centre stage of missionary efforts? Did you know that the Book of Mormon is one of the greatest conversion tools of the Church? More people join the Church as a result of their testimony of the Book of Mormon than almost anything else. I said “almost,” because we have another conversion tool that is even greater. You would be amazed if I told you what it is. It is the Joseph Smith Testimony (the story of the First Vision). More people join the Church as a result of that than anything else. When they hear or read that story, the Spirit of the Lord bears witness to them that it is true, and they don’t need any further witness and join the Church. The Book of Mormon is second only to that as a means of conversion to the Church. So you can shout and scream at the top of your voice that the Book of Mormon isn’t true until your voice breaks; but you can rest assured that it won’t have any effect on me, or on anyone else who has the testimony of the Holy Ghost that it is true.
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LSK
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It is also the same words used by the Father of Lies to tempt our first parents into sin…becoming ‘like God’.
Be aware that the use of “Holy Deception” is encouraged by LDS.
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LSK
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Does DNA evidence proving that none of the indigenous peoples of the United States are semitic matter to you? If the story of Lehi were true then that would not be so…while, interestingly enough, we can point to DNA evidence that the remains of the first Catholic Martyrs are from the region, ethnic background, etc that tradition claims.
I understand that you love your faith, but to try and claim that the Book of Mormon is truth when it has been proven to be wrong through basic research is really kind of scary. Joseph Smith revealed who he really was in his King Folett (sp?) eulogy - so much so that his own namesake rejected him, along with his true wife, and set up a seperate church.
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LSK
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In today’s world, where truth is relative and anything goes, I can understand why the idea of almost everyone getting to go to heaven would be attractive.
From catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Mormon.asp
Mormonism teaches that practically no one is forever damned to hell. Aside from Satan, his spirit followers, and perhaps a half-dozen notorious sinners, all people who have ever existed will share in heavenly “glory.” Not, mind you, all in the same heaven. There are, in fact, three heavens.
The lowest heaven is populated by adulterers, murderers, thieves, liars and other evil-doers. These share in a glory and delight impossible to imagine. Their sins have been forgiven, and they now enjoy the eternal presence of the Holy Ghost.
The middle heaven contains the souls and bodies of good non-Mormons and those Mormons who were in some way deficient in their obedience to church commandments. They will glory in the presence of Jesus Christ forever.
The top heaven is reserved for devout Mormons, who go on to become gods and rulers of their own universes. By having their wives and children “sealed” to them during an earthly, temple ceremony, these men-gods will procreate billions of spirits and place them into future, physical bodies. These future children will then worship their father-gods, obeying Mormon commandments, and eventually take their place in the eternal progression to their own godhood.
Mormons think this doctrine is a strong selling point. They point out (erroneously) that only their church offers families the chance to be together forever in eternity. But read the fine print. The only way you can have your family with you is if each one of them has lived a sterling Mormon life. Otherwise, a spouse, parent, or child may be locked forever in a lower heaven. Indeed, the faithful Mormon wife of a lukewarm Mormon man will leave him behind in an inferior place while she goes on and is sealed to a more devout Mormon gentleman. These two will then beget and raise their own, new family.
The LDS slogan, “Families are forever,” means fractured families.
From catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Mormon.asp
Mormonism teaches that practically no one is forever damned to hell. Aside from Satan, his spirit followers, and perhaps a half-dozen notorious sinners, all people who have ever existed will share in heavenly “glory.” Not, mind you, all in the same heaven. There are, in fact, three heavens.
The lowest heaven is populated by adulterers, murderers, thieves, liars and other evil-doers. These share in a glory and delight impossible to imagine. Their sins have been forgiven, and they now enjoy the eternal presence of the Holy Ghost.
The middle heaven contains the souls and bodies of good non-Mormons and those Mormons who were in some way deficient in their obedience to church commandments. They will glory in the presence of Jesus Christ forever.
The top heaven is reserved for devout Mormons, who go on to become gods and rulers of their own universes. By having their wives and children “sealed” to them during an earthly, temple ceremony, these men-gods will procreate billions of spirits and place them into future, physical bodies. These future children will then worship their father-gods, obeying Mormon commandments, and eventually take their place in the eternal progression to their own godhood.
Mormons think this doctrine is a strong selling point. They point out (erroneously) that only their church offers families the chance to be together forever in eternity. But read the fine print. The only way you can have your family with you is if each one of them has lived a sterling Mormon life. Otherwise, a spouse, parent, or child may be locked forever in a lower heaven. Indeed, the faithful Mormon wife of a lukewarm Mormon man will leave him behind in an inferior place while she goes on and is sealed to a more devout Mormon gentleman. These two will then beget and raise their own, new family.
The LDS slogan, “Families are forever,” means fractured families.
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majick275
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amgid just rants anyway. Eventually he’ll slip up again and have to change his scrren name again. Shouting out loudly that he believes it when he can’t even define “it” and describes it differently than his official church publications doesn’t do anything to anybody. I’d say that I don’t really care if he beleives or not but the facts is that I do. I care about everyone and I want amgid to be in heaven with God forever.
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zerinus
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That actually isn’t true. Once a couple have been fully obedient to those ordinances, and been sealed in the temple for eternity, they would have to become prety serious sinners to have those blessings denied to them. If they commit serious sins, they will be severely punished for it in the next life; but once they have paid the price of their sins they will be exalted, and will receive all the blessings that were promissed them when they received those ordinances.
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majick275
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wow, so since my wife and I were sealed in the temple and the only thing we did was to become catholic then we still become gods anyway? … Wait a minute, Isaiah 45:5,14, 18, 21-22; and 46:9
make it clear that there is only ONE God. EVER
Give it up amgid/zerinus. We will not be tempted by Satan’s lie “ye shall be as the Gods”. We worship the one and only true God.
make it clear that there is only ONE God. EVER
Give it up amgid/zerinus. We will not be tempted by Satan’s lie “ye shall be as the Gods”. We worship the one and only true God.
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Catholic_Dude
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Id be very interesting in finding free online versions of the above book, Ill be honest I will be taking a critical look at the answers it gives especially in relation to Scripture.
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majick275
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that’s a set of books that goes hand in hand with doctirnes of salvation (also a set) by the same author. He was quite outspoken on many subjects and many curent LDS tend to shy away a bit from his wording if not the actual teachings. They don’t leave much “wiggle room” and if nothing else he was not afraid to explicitly define Mormon doctrine on most of the major subjects.
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