Your opinion on Posture for Reception of Communion

  • Thread starter Thread starter Mysty101
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
No need to shout–
And he gave authority orer the liturgy to the Bishops & approved their norms.
 
ps
Again be reasonable. Some people complained. The instruction was given, so those who wished to kneel would be accommodated. I would hope the intention was not to undermine the authority of the USCCB. In essence, it was said that no punishment could be given, if someone chose to kneel, nothing about changing the norm, which was approved, and should be followed (if we take into consideration all the other instructions of the GIRM)

Now, again be reasonable. If there are accommodations for kneeling, it would not be unreasonable to relax the norm, but if there are no provisions, I would hope that the CDW would want the faithful to follow the norm.

And also, I still do not know the exact Canon ruling on a letter over a law, but as I said many times, I am talking about the Spirit of community, rather than the law.
 
40.png
jlw:
AND, I wouldn’t be a Catholic today if I wasn’t given REASONS for being Catholic. My conversion story is one big story of the question “WHY”. THEOLOGICAL REASONS!! Yes, here are BIG T Traditions and small t traditions, but in any event, there are REASONS for a bishops directives. I am not being a disrespectful Catholic to ask WHY? In fact, I’d say I was being a connected, energetic, faithful, Catholic.
Click to expand...
Thank you for pointing this out.
40.png
jlw:
That explaination works for me with my four year old son, but as an adult, who loves his Church, and looks to his priest, even with his faults, as a successor from Peter and the apostles, HE should have a THEOLOGICAL answer as to why standing is more reverent (or equal to?) kneeling before THE TRUE PRESENSE of our Lord and Savior.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, every priest in my area seems to insist on obedience only “because he says to”. They will get annoyed (or even in some cases, infuriated) if someone asks for an actual reason. It gets even worse when some of them try to teach things that logically conflict with official Church teachings.
 
40.png
Luke-Jr:
Unfortunately, every priest in my area seems to insist on obedience only “because he says to”. They will get annoyed (or even in some cases, infuriated) if someone asks for an actual reason. It gets even worse when some of them try to teach things that logically conflict with official Church teachings.
Click to expand...
girm52
Click to expand...
Therefore, attention should be paid to what is determined by this General Instruction and the traditional practice of the Roman Rite and to what serves the common spiritual good of the People of God, rather than private inclination or arbitrary choice.

“Love thy neighbor as thyself”
 
psalm 40:73 sacrifice and offering you do not want; but ears open to obedience you gave me. Holocausts and sin-offerings you do not require; 8 so I said, “Here I am; your commands for me are written in the scroll. 9 To do your will is my delight; my God, your law is in my heart!”
Click to expand...
Mt 16:18And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Click to expand...
Have you ever heard of Apostolic succession? One of the marks of the Church which separates us from the Protestent sects? And valid ordination?
 
The bishops can say what they like - irreverence and all! force people to stand - refuse them communion if they don’t !

(I have a photo of Bishop Brown refusing communion to a woman who was kneeling (I can’t figure out how to post it!) - the photo shows him grabbing her folded hands to pull her up. He refused to give her communion, finally yelling at her -“THAT’S the way we received communion here, now GET UP YOU’RE CAUSING A SCENE!” She bowed her head and stood.

There has been a letter regarding this from the Vatican - It was issued 6 months BEFORE he refused this woman.

Go to thelaity.com/documents.htm and click on “Kneeling to Receive the Eucharist”

It forbids any priest from refusing the sacrament for this reason.

Good heavens!!! These men are the MINISTERS OF THE SACRAMENTS - IT"S THEIR JOB TO see that their congregation RECEIVES the Sacraments!!! That’s what they get PAID to do!!

Active homosexuals receive with permission from Cardinal Mahony (Rainbow Sashers) and Pastor Martin Benzoni (the pastor at the parish where the 2 homosexual activists enrolled their kindergarted students and continued to receive for months after the pastor knew they were members of Family Pride (www.familypride.org)) ; pro-abortion candidates receive (from the hands of Bishop Tod Brown, Diocese of Orange, CA (Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez D, Anaheim, CA)) - but this poor woman is refused!

It’s not an ‘opinion’. It is a directive of the Sacred Congregation and a DUTY of our priests to distribute communion to those kneeling, standing, prostrate, lying in their hospital bed, or lying in the street after a car accident. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM WHO REFUSE SOMEONE IN A STATE OF GRACE!

God have mercy on their souls,
Angel
 
I would sure like to see that picture. Is it located anywhere on the internet? Could you post a link to the website?

Yes, there are certainly “some” who are “hostile” toward those who kneel to receive Holy Communion!!!
 
Angels Watchin:
SHAME ON ALL OF THEM WHO REFUSE SOMEONE IN A STATE OF GRACE!
Click to expand...
And how, may I ask can anyone know for certain that someone is in the state of grace?
 
As Catholics, we are not supposed to approach the altar to receive Holy Communion unless we are in a state of grace.

Remember the words of St. Paul to the Corinthians - “Let a man examine himself, so that he not receive unworthily…”

Further, the Vatican has called it “a grave pastoral abuse” to deny anyone Holy Communion, unless it would cause a public scandal.

Therefore, if someone openly renounces the Church’s teachings on faith and morals, say a pro-abortion politician or a practicing homosexual demonstrating publicly his/her support of “gay rights,” the celebrant would have reason for denying the Sacrament.

But kneeling to recieve is not grounds for denying Holy Communion, and one cannot assume that the person kneeling is causing a public scandal.
 
My parish still has communion rails so I always kneel. Our Archbishop has approved this since it is an older parish.

Tateman
 
Panis Angelicas:
I would sure like to see that picture. Is it located anywhere on the internet? Could you post a link to the website?

Yes, there are certainly “some” who are “hostile” toward those who kneel to receive Holy Communion!!!
Click to expand...
I have the photo in a file on my computer (scanned and saved) but I don’t know how to get it to show on this thread (I can attach it to an email)
If anyone can drag me thru the process, I’ll be happy to post it.

Thanks,
Angel
 
Angels Watchin:
(I have a photo of Bishop Brown refusing communion to a woman who was kneeling (I can’t figure out how to post it!) - the photo shows him grabbing her folded hands to pull her up. He refused to give her communion, finally yelling at her -“THAT’S the way we received communion here, now GET UP YOU’RE CAUSING A SCENE!” She bowed her head and stood.

Angel
Click to expand...
That is horrible.
 
Angels Watchin said:
(I have a photo of Bishop Brown refusing communion to a woman who was kneeling (I can’t figure out how to post it!) - the photo shows him grabbing her folded hands to pull her up.
Click to expand...

Someone was taking pictures of Communion reception that day? And just happened to take one of the alleged incident you describe?

Sorry, I ain’t buying it. There are enough pictures that get posted out of context here, please don’t add to the mess.

Besides, posting of pictures here is frowned upon. They have enough performance problems with the forum servers as it is.
 
40.png
rcn:
Someone was taking pictures of Communion reception that day? And just happened to take one of the alleged incident you describe?

Sorry, I ain’t buying it. There are enough pictures that get posted out of context here, please don’t add to the mess.

Besides, posting of pictures here is frowned upon. They have enough performance problems with the forum servers as it is.
Click to expand...
The event was an installation of the pastor, Fr. Martin Benzoni, at St. John the Baptist, in Costa Mesa, CA. 714-540-2214. The parish paid for the professional videotaping of the event (which was available for purchase to the entire parish) and the photo was taken from the video.
You can call them and buy a copy if you like. If they won’t send you a copy (and they may not, the Bishop is aware that this was caught on tape), I’ll be happy to.

When in doubt, first ask a question. Don’t question someone’s integrity, especially publicly, unless you have the facts.

Angel
 
I would prefer to kneel, but the prescribed norm in the US according to the GIRM is standing, so I have no choice but to stand.
 
40.png
Trelow:
I would prefer to kneel, but the prescribed norm in the US according to the GIRM is standing, so I have no choice but to stand.
Click to expand...
It is the norm but you cannot be denied when you kneel.
My suggestion is to find a church where kneeling is the norm and go there.
I did and it’s the best thing I have ever done.
Talk with your feet. Where you attend Holy Mass is where you give your money. If the more conservative churches get more money, the Bishops will pay attention.
They are closing and clustering parishes in my Archdiocese. My conservative parish is growing out of it’s building.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top