Your opinion on Posture for Reception of Communion

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CrusaderNY:
Why…because we would think the Vatican, as has been done for centuries, would have enough common sense to think that people actually do think that the real presence of Our Lord exists, and we want to show our subservience and reverence to him before receiving him…Must everything be so Protestant? Why should we have to campaign to do what is most reverent and right by God?
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You hit the nail on the head, but unfortunately you did nothing but bend the shank.

What you describe is what YOU feel is “most reverent and right by God.” Nothing the Church directs says your opinion is indeed fact.

It’s simply personal conjecture on your part.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
…your last sentence is patently a subjective opinion! There are other people that would think that obeying the directive of our lawful shepherds is what is “most reverent and right by God!”
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What, exactly would be a “NON” subjective opinion? Just wondering…
Approved and Confirmed by His Holiness Pope John Paul II April 17, 1980
INAESTIMABILE DONUM
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Prepared by the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship
11. The Church has always required from the faithful respect and reverence for the Eucharist at the moment of receiving it. With regard to the manner of going to Communion, the faithful can receive it either kneeling or standing, in accordance with the norms laid down by the episcopal conference: “When the faithful communicate kneeling, no other sign of reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament is required, since** kneeling is itself a sign of adoration**. When they receive Communion standing, it is strongly recommended that, coming up in a procession, they should make a sign of reverence before receiving the sacrament. This should be done at the right time and place, so that the order of people going to and from Communion is not disrupted.”(21)

Is there a hierarcial difference between “adoration” and “reverence”? Can I reverence St Mary? Can I adore St Mary? Really, what’s the difference?
In any case, we’ll have to wait and see what the “pastoral reasons” are, then maybe everyone will agree. Perhaps you could fill us in here? Declaring “patent…subjectivity” isn’t gonna go too far in closing the issue. (Just my patently subjective opinion.) Those reasons must be compelling, even if they are so far, completely secret. (Just my Non-patently subjective opinion.) Hope I don’t get visions of “conspiracy” whilst I wait.:tsktsk:
 
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CrusaderNY:
Forget about what you see other people do, or what the so called “Options are” in the GIRM as that is as watered down as the rest…kneel, you are at Mass and are about to receive our Lord , if you were told that Jesus was going to be at the 10AM mass and you waited all your life to meet him, would you go up to him and shake his hand standing up,receiving him in your hand like a hot dog at a ball game?

NO-You would get on your knees look up into those beautiful eyes of his…and if he was to give you a piece of his body to take, you would take it direct from his worthy and consecrated hands (ie the Priest ) and put it directly into your mouth and Love him…

Forget about all of this post V2 garbage…we all know what is right and wrong, and when I go to my NO mass, I get on line with the PRIEST and NOT the Eucharistic Minister, and while everyone else is standing…I get down on the hard tile floor and kneel and receive him, as does my wife and family, and you know what…more and more people at my mass I notice after they see me do that then do the same…
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And perfect humility would entail perfect obedience to His appointed leaders of his Church. Your pride is showing, particularly your pride of knowing better than the bishops what posture pleases Him.

The only reaon you call the rules “post Vatican 2 Garbage” is because you don’t like them, and they don’t make you feel holy. If they were post Vatican 2 rules that you liked, you would be singing and praising them to the heavens.

Please don’t throw bricks at the liberals for breaking rules when you do the same thing.
 
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CrusaderNY:
Show of it? You got that wrong my friend, there is no show in this person, the only “show” I have is reverence for my Lord, and the GIRM has been infiltrated by the Modernists, just like I found out 10 years after the fact that the New American Bible has. No, in reality we are just like the Protestants now it seems, I had no idea we actually changed sacred liturgy to be more Politically correct and to be Ecumenical , I ask all to visit this site and see if this has gone to far, and then decide if standing there in your shorts and flip flops with your hands outstretched waiting for a 75 year old Eucharistic minister (from unconsecrated hands to unconsecrated hands to your mouth) to receive our Lord is really what we need as a church. Soon, like the TLM, they will ban receiving our Lord kneeling, reverence soon to be forbidden in the name of Vatican II, I can see it coming not to far down the line

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You forgot the Trilateral Council and the Masons, and oh, yes, the Illuminati.

And I don’t go up in shorts and flip-flops.

You really believe that they will ban reception of Communion? Or was it the aliens doing? Or should I just write it off to vituperation? Maybe you just need a new set of glasses, if that is what you are seeing.

Maybe you are correct; maybe you are of pure humility. However, your appearance in doing so is one of arrogance. You are right, I can’t judge you. Your words may be of pure humility also, but they certainly sound arrogant. Of course, maybe this is all a piece of Alice in Wonderland; the Queen had a few things to say about the meaning of words…
 
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TNT:
What, exactly would be a “NON” subjective opinion? Just wondering…
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Yes, TNT, how very brilliant you are, very kind of you to point it out in case we illiterate, unwashed peons missed it.
 
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TNT:
In any case, we’ll have to wait and see what the “pastoral reasons” are, then maybe everyone will agree. Perhaps you could fill us in here? Declaring “patent…subjectivity” isn’t gonna go too far in closing the issue. (Just my patently subjective opinion.) Those reasons must be compelling, even if they are so far, completely secret. (Just my Non-patently subjective opinion.) Hope I don’t get visions of “conspiracy” whilst I wait.:tsktsk:
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Haven’t got a clue! Do not know! And never lost a great deal of sleep over it. When I was Baptist, I sat, since to have stood would have been out of order and discordant. When I was an Episicopalian, I knelt, since to have sat or stood would have been out of order and discordant. Now I’m Catholic, a Catholic of the Latin Rite in America, whose bishops have told us to stand, a directive acknowledged and allowed by the Holy See (I’ve yet to hear the Pope or any other hierarch say, “No way, evil, liberal, American bishops, tell those idiot sheep of yours to kneel!”). So I don’t know what the pastoral reason is…ask Cardinal Arinze or the papal legate/nuncio here in the US. I just did it because I was told to do so…baaaa!!! baaaa!!!
 
Nota Bene:
You hit the nail on the head, but unfortunately you did nothing but bend the shank.

What you describe is what YOU feel is “most reverent and right by God.” Nothing the Church directs says your opinion is indeed fact.

It’s simply personal conjecture on your part.
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INAESTIMABILE DONUM
Prepared by the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship
11. The Church has always required from the faithful respect and reverence for the Eucharist at the moment of receiving it. With regard to the manner of going to Communion, the faithful can receive it either kneeling or standing, in accordance with the norms laid down by the episcopal conference: "When the faithful communicate kneeling, no other sign of reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament is required, since** kneeling is itself a sign of adoration**. When they receive Communion standing, it is strongly recommended that, coming up in a procession, they should make a sign of reverence before receiving the sacrament.

And of course don’t forget also JPII’s PERSONAL conjecture at least 25 years ago.
 
Listen, obedience is VERY important.

AND, I wouldn’t be a Catholic today if I wasn’t given REASONS for being Catholic. My conversion story is one big story of the question “WHY”. THEOLOGICAL REASONS!! Yes, here are BIG T Traditions and small t traditions, but in any event, there are REASONS for a bishops directives. I am not being a disrespectful Catholic to ask WHY? In fact, I’d say I was being a connected, energetic, faithful, Catholic.

Thus far, no one has given me those reasons beyond, “because he said so”.

That explaination works for me with my four year old son, but as an adult, who loves his Church, and looks to his priest, even with his faults, as a successor from Peter and the apostles, HE should have a THEOLOGICAL answer as to why standing is more reverent (or equal to?) kneeling before THE TRUE PRESENSE of our Lord and Savior.

Don’t you think he could do that?? But if he doesn’t, what should I take from that??

"You are a puny know-nothing, quite bothering me??" OR

"I don’t have a good answer, so I hope you drop it" OR at least

“You know, we don’t communion rails anymore, so instead of making people kneel on the hard floor, we just decided that instead of requiring the rails be installed again (Lord knows, we’re getting sued left and right, we just don’t have the money), we thought standing would be ok for now.”

At least the third one gives me something to work with.
 
Nota Bene
Or anyone, come to our resue here:
Many posts ago:
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TNT:
Yeaaaa! You’re just the one I’m looking for!
Please state for all of us, the reasons. We’ll read them carefully. Make sure there are more than 1, as it says reason**(S)**
Ok, we’re on the edge…waiting…
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Pleeeese, no more making us trads wait in suspense!!! That’s cruel.😦
 
CrusaderNy, JLW + all other trads that can appreciate this:

Every last Mon of the month, the TLM priest travels to say Mass at our church.
Well, Today it was at 1:15pm.
Now, today is our 1st Wedding anniversary (Feast of John Bosco). We received communion at 1:45 pm at our TLM wedding. Today, we received communion at 1:45pm…same as at our TLM wedding.
Nothing planned. Just happened.
See, there are some coincidences that trads love!!
 
Yee Haw!

THE LITURGICAL LIMBO

How low can go! How low can you go!

:rotfl:

Kneeling aint low enough in my book.
 
Nota Bene:
It most certainly is dissent. Those that feel the need to dissent in this manner are directed to be dealth with in a pastorially sensitive manner, but it still dissent no matter how you slice (or interpret) it.
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dissent is denying the faithful the right of the Mass of Tradition. I’m still waiting for the 'wide and generous application of Ecclessia Dei.
I’m still waiting for the Mass of Vatican II with Gregorian Chant and Latin at its core. I’m still waiting for it.

The problem is dissent. The American Catholic Church is an abomination. I want the Roman Catholic Church that’s in America. I don’t want dissent so I don’t want the only english mass and denial of kneelers and communion rails (there was no reason to remove them but many documents from the vatican affirming their use). I want the tabernacle back upon the alter where it belongs. I want the lay distributors back in their pews and I want only men and boys serving the altar as is the Pope intention.
 
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otm:
And perfect humility would entail perfect obedience to His appointed leaders of his Church. Your pride is showing, particularly your pride of knowing better than the bishops what posture pleases Him.

The only reaon you call the rules “post Vatican 2 Garbage” is because you don’t like them, and they don’t make you feel holy. If they were post Vatican 2 rules that you liked, you would be singing and praising them to the heavens.

Please don’t throw bricks at the liberals for breaking rules when you do the same thing.
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So true.

Deviation from what the Church directs is deviation, no matter if it’s “liberal” or “conservative” in nature.
 
TNT said:
Nota Bene
Or anyone, come to our resue here:
Many posts ago:

Pleeeese, no more making us trads wait in suspense!!! That’s cruel.😦
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Asked and answered “many posts ago” (#78.)
 
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TNT:
And of course don’t forget also JPII’s PERSONAL conjecture at least 25 years ago.
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I take it you have not read the latest version of the GIRM and Redemptoris Sacramentum? That, or you did not understand their contents?
 
There is no right to the 1962 missal.
"This Pontifical Commission does not have the authority to coerce Bishops to provide for the celebration of the Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. Nonetheless, we are frequently in contact with Bishops and do all that we can to see that this provision is made. However, this provision also depends on the number of people who desire the ‘traditional’ Mass, their motives and the availability of priests who can celebrate it.
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“You also state in your letter that the Holy Father has given you a ‘right’ to the Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal. This is not correct. It is true that he has asked his brother Bishops to be generous in providing for the celebration of this Mass, but he has not stated that it is a ‘right’. Presently it constitutes an exception to the Church’s law and may be granted when the local Bishop judges it to be a valid pastoral service and when he has the priests who are available to celebrate it. Every Catholic has a right to the sacraments (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 843), but he does not have a right to them according to the rite of his choice.” (Msgr Perl, Secretary, Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission)
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Nota Bene:
I take it you have not read the latest version of the GIRM and Redemptoris Sacramentum? That, or you did not understand their contents?
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Probably not. I usually read the original, trust it, and overlook the FLIP then the FLOP versions. I’m old fashion. I take a man’s word the FIRST time.
If he can’t keep instructions consistent, then I just attend the TLM, and VOILA, no more “daily press releases” on today’s postures, rubrics, abuses…

We’re at about 220 documents issued on the NOM since it’s inception. We were at about 80 since we exited the catacombs until 1965.

VATII PROMISED a “simplification”. But then one must know what the definition of “simplification” is is is is.
 
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TNT:
We’re at about 220 documents issued on the NOM since it’s inception. We were at about 80 since we exited the catacombs until 1965.
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:rotfl:

Too bad that not true. Kind of funny and entertaining like the divinci code.
 
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