Your opinion: People not paying attention in Mass?

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There’s an age at which a kid is old enough to sit still the whole mass. My guess would be about 5 years old. I have a 22 month old and a 6 month old. We show up nice and early to get a seat near the back and edge. We do this on purpose so if we have to get up and leave with one child it’s not distracting. We also bounce kids back and forth between each other because you have to constantly distract them to keep them from throwing boredom fits. To the folks that seem to get irritated at the kids making noises, you’ve got to realize that kids ARE noisy. Seems to me like some of you may not have kids. Basically as long as the kid isn’t screaming, crying incessantly, or other really loud continuous noise, you need to get over it. You should either not sit near these people with the normal noisy children or the folks with bad behavior, or get over it. Also, Saying that this generation as a whole has no respect for anything as a blanket statement is very insulting.
I think you are missing a big difference. From what you have written you are very considerate about other people and make all possible effort to keep the noise to a minimum. Personally, I have total sympathy if your kids let out a few cries.

What me and some others are complaining about is the parents that make no effort or actually teach their kids to be noisy

CM
 
I agree, if parents aren’t even trying to reign in their kids, even I roll my eyes at those folks.
 
You don’t sit in the front row do you? 🙂 What I don’t understand is why parents with kids that they know are teething or will cry a lot or kids who can’t or won’t sit still and they have to keep telling them to stop every 5 seconds, why do they sit in the first, second or 3rd rows in the front of the church?? :confused: I never understood that. I understand how kids are and I know they go through different phases etc that’s understandable because kids will be kids, but do the parents have to sit in the very front row when their kids are in those phases? That’s what I see a lot of and never understood. They can’t hear anything so they want to keep others from hearing too? :confused: 🤷 If my kids were going through those phases I would at least have enough consideration to sit in the back so as not to disturb others. 🤷
Actually I can answer that for you. Many parents receive advice to sit in the front. If you are trying to teach your small children about the mass it is better for them to sit up front so they can hear, and see what is going on. If they see and hear the priest and Jesus Himself they automatically become more involved. As a parent it is sometimes way harder to sit in the back than in the front.
My question to you is why does this bother you so. How did you handle it with your small ones?
 
I’m strict at Mass: no coloring books, toys, or books. I allowed the class backpack bear at Mass today, but that’s a stretch. The rest of the time, I tell the kids, we’re here for God and to pay attention.

This topic caught my attention because we were sitting next to a young man at Mass with an iphone who spent the entire time with his feet kicked up on the pew in front of us playing with his apps. I’ve not been in a good mood, so I found it distracting and wanted to hit him over the head with aforementioned technology.

God is such a gift and the Mass is such a blessing. I feel sorry for people who don’t, can’t or won’t see it.

But, really, teach the children, please, please, please, for their sake and the sake of others, to pay attention at Mass. No books. No toys. It’s only an hour. They will flourish if you teach them the importance of a visit to God’s house.
 
No toys, snacks ever in church. That was our rule. You misbehave you do time out later. Good behavior gets a sticker. Most of learning how to behave in church comes before and after. We have very well behaved little ones in church because they know it is God’s house and the conversations startes at 2 yrs. Old. My kids never left church and did not return if they had an episode-that would train them if you scream you get to leave and not come back. I told them we would go to the next mass to practice to get it right. At r years old they had prayer hands going up to communion for a blessing. My kids are very active so if we could do it anyone can. It saddens me to see a 5 year old running around church climbing on pews etc. They just were never shown. As for babies, I would leave if it disturbred others.
 
I’m strict at Mass: no coloring books, toys, or books. I allowed the class backpack bear at Mass today, but that’s a stretch. The rest of the time, I tell the kids, we’re here for God and to pay attention.

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I think your rule is awesome ! However, I can’t help but think if a kid is very young (like under 2), it is perhaps a bit too strict. Just curous but if you did bring your kids to mass when they were that young, how did you keep them quiet?
 
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

Who wrote this, and when?

Socrates about 440 BC
 
Sometimes it’s a good idea to sit up front because children become far more interested and will pay attention more when they can see the Mass happening.
This. It is such a struggle for my husband and I to get to mass every week with all the little ones. It is even harder knowing that some judge our every parenting move. 😦
 
This. It is such a struggle for my husband and I to get to mass every week with all the little ones. It is even harder knowing that some judge our every parenting move. 😦
I agree with you completely! People tend to be very snarky on this forum regarding children, and very out of touch. We are expecting our first, neither Parish we regularly attend has a “cry room” and we are planning to (modestly) ecologically nurse! So I’m sure people will be judging. Pray for them (people who judge and complain are unhappy people) and remember that our children are the future of the Catholic Church, and may just fall in love with the Mass at a young age, if they aren’t relegated to a separate room or the back of Church. We only learn by being in a situation and children as well as adults are sure to make a few missteps.

And to the person who said that if they are reading books about farm animals they must be five really doesn’t know children’s literature or how a love of literature develops! I will be reading my infant about many animals! Personally, I won’t read those books in Mass, but the subject matter does not seem to be something that would wait until age 5.
 
To all those with children: please feel welcome at Mass! :grouphug: There are many, many of us who appreciate the effort you make in ensuring that you come to Mass as a family. I do know that noisy children grow up and learn to be quieter. I’m not sure if complainers ever stop complaining, though. 😉 I really liked what one poster said about praying for forgiveness for the very thing that is bothering us (for example, feeling annoyed and praying for Jesus’ forgiveness when I’ve annoyed Him).
 
…So I don’t want to sound rude, or judgemental…but there are some people in my church…who literally…all the do…is come in late, sit down, and read to their children. ← Not an exaggeration. They switch the kids off though, when mom gets tired, they go to their aunt, when she gets tired, they go to their grandparents. They read books about farm animals, and the alphabet, and so forth…My opinion is…why come to Mass if you’re not going to do ANYTHING. :mad: (But of course read to your kids) There’s nothing wrong with reading to your kids, but in Mass -.- really? It really annoys me…
Do you have children? as one poster stated, the only behavior we can control is our own. Posts such as these are troublesome because there is no way for any of us who are not there to be able to judge rightly or wrongly what is going on. To post about what is bugging you at Mass without the rest of us being there to see the validity or not should not really be done. If someone at Mass is making too much voice for whatever reason, you can politely get up and move. To post why they might be at Mass because in your judgement they are not paying attention is judgmental. Maybe once you have very small children, you might be much more understanding of others.
 
For heaven’s sake, we’re talking about children here!

First of all, we have no right to judge parenting techniques that others use unless they have asked us for our opinion. I can think of three possible explanations as to why a parents appears to be "doing nothing"about their children’s behavior. The first is exhaustion. Being a parent of small children is utterly exhausting–if you want to get a feeling for what it’s like, stay awake for 48 hours and listen to children’s shows on TV (in order to get a sense of what it’s like to listen to nothing but baby and toddler talk for many hours at a stretch, with no “adult” interactions), and eat little bits of food several times over the day (never a full meal)–that’s reality for many parents. So by the time some parents come to Mass, they’ve had it, and they’re just too tired to make the effort, and they’re afraid if they DO make the effort, they’ll lose it.

Second, many parents have a “threshold of noise” that they tolerate, and they don’t intervene unless the noise rises above that threshold. This is necessary for parents, because ALL children make noise even when they are trying to be quiet. Some children make little sweet noises or grunts or sighs without even knowing it, and trying to stop this means a constant “shhh” which many people find as distracting as the children’s noises! So the parents just ignore the little noises and whispers, waiting instead for the noise to rise to the “alert level.”

Third, and this is what I think is most likely–many children act out to get the parents’ attention. The more the parent intervenes, the more “rewarded” the child is, and the child learns to act out to get the attention. So the wise parents deliberately ignore a child so that he/she isn’t rewarded for bad behavior. Even wiser parents will give plenty of attention to a child who is behaving up to the parental standards.

As for those who say that the “magic age” is five–I say that it depends on the child’s readiness. Every child is different, and not all children are “ready” to be quiet and still during an adult Mass at age 5. My nephews are 9 and 7, and they are still very babyish, crying when someone touches them, and having tantrums at the slightest provocation.

We just all need to be more understanding–it’s really tough to be a parent in 2012!
 
For heaven’s sake, we’re talking about children here!
No, we’re talking about parents.

I do not especially mind children being loud, since as an adult I am too focused on my Beloved offering Himself on Calvary, but for instance, I was reading how the parents of one of the little shepherds of Fatima decided to take turns so that one would go to Holy Mass and the other take care of the youngest child at home and go at a later time, in order to avoid disrupting the liturgy. That was a great burden, yet it was very considerate and for God’s greater glory.

And for this poor family, in 1912, it was a hundredfold tougher to be parents.
 
I hope you meant “not to be noisy” :o
No I mean ‘some parents actually teach there kids TO BE noisy’ by setting a bad example.

I am not saying all parents are like that. I am simply saying the inconsiderate parents are running it for the considerate parents who do their best to keep the noise to a minimum.
 
No I mean ‘some parents actually teach there kids TO BE noisy’ by setting a bad example.

I am not saying all parents are like that. I am simply saying the inconsiderate parents are running it for the considerate parents who do their best to keep the noise to a minimum.
There is no way to judge this situation since none of us were there. Posts about one’s frustrations at Mass for whatever reason whether it is noisy kids etc should not be done, all it does is pit people on CAF against each other. If one is bothered by what happen or not happen at Mass should be taken up with the priest not posted on the internet and then have the rest of us debate each other about the merits or non merits of parenting or badly behaving kids or whatever causing unnecessary fights. If someone is being noisy at Mass and it is bothering you, get up and move yourself, don’t go to Masses where there will be a large number of small children in attendance, pray for that family (what a concept)
 
@ cmscms oh, ok , I see what you meant 🙂 I mean, there are great times for recreation, and as a child (but even as an adult, sometimes :rolleyes:) those “moments of recreation” in life can become rather loud 🙂 I remember with a smile a quote from a movie in which the Mother Superior of a Carmelite cloistered convent was explaining to a novice that they lived a life of silence and contemplation, but that during the recreation sometimes she had to use the bell to call the attention of the sisters 😃

But, seriously, if people could see what is happening beyond the veil of faith, they’d understand the need for utmost reverence during Holy Mass, for the only reason to smile would come at the very end, during the mystical resurrection of the Lord. All the while is one constant sorrow, even during the beautiful reading of the Word of God, so permeated by man’s disobedience, and it is no surprise that sometimes souls are moved to tears during the Gospel, seeing how infinitely kind was the Lamb, answering with utmost gentleness to those who showed such great disrespect towards Him…most quotes can be truly heart-breaking if we try for a second to imagine just what He felt right there…and what a tactful decision of our Lord to choose bread and wine to make His holy sacrifice everlasting…while it is the cruent death on the Cross which is taking place, our eyes, eyes of children as they are, could not withstand such a vision…thus is fulfilled, at the elevation, the word of the prophet: “Do not fear, daughter of Zion! Look, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, but he is gentle”. And what other moment could possibly make more outstanding the words of God Himself: “Be still, and know that I am God”…
 
This. It is such a struggle for my husband and I to get to mass every week with all the little ones. It is even harder knowing that some judge our every parenting move. 😦
No one here is judging every parenting move. Please be assured and an occasional fussy baby or wiggling child is not the concern here. It is the PARENT reading OUT LOUD to their kids about FARM ANIMALS at Mass. I write in caps not to shout but to truly emphasis that parents who have to deal with an active child/fussy baby are NOT at issue here. I write this with great love and appreciation for all those who have small children. The good parent is one who knows that reading out loud at Mass–loud enough that others can hear–just to keep a child entertained is not the same thing as a harried parent dealing with hyper active kid. We who sit around you know the difference. I love to see small children at Mass because Jesus said he welcomed the little ones. What I don’t like to see is PARENTS pandering to their little darling’s every whim, disrupting Mass for all around them, instead attempting to direct their child’s attention to the Mass. It is perfectly permissible for parents to leave their little ones at home with a responsible person if they simply cannot be controlled. However, no one should feel they cannot bring their small children to Mass–that’s not the issue here at all. 🙂
 
No, we’re talking about parents.

I do not especially mind children being loud, since as an adult I am too focused on my Beloved offering Himself on Calvary, but for instance, I was reading how the parents of one of the little shepherds of Fatima decided to take turns so that one would go to Holy Mass and the other take care of the youngest child at home and go at a later time, in order to avoid disrupting the liturgy. That was a great burden, yet it was very considerate and for God’s greater glory.

And for this poor family, in 1912, it was a hundredfold tougher to be parents.
As I’m reading, you’re suggesting that families can’t go to mass together and children aren’t welcome.

Catholic families that are truly devote tend to have larger families and that may mean years and years of seperate masses.

My husband and I truly enjoy going to Mass together and I firmly believe the entire family belongs in Mass on Sunday morning, together.
We go to the later morning Mass because it is loaded with families. The only time we go to seperate masses is when we choose to go to Latin Mass during the week. It is far more solumn and not appropriate for children.

I don’t like that families are stigmatized because we have young children who can be loud sometimes.

My husband and I pass our daughter back and forth for two reasons: 1. She gets interested with different people and a different view point in the pew. Also, and more importantly, 2. It saves our backs a little.

There are families that are over the top. We had an instance with my own family during the Mass for my daughter’s baptism. This was because my entire family is not Catholic and can’t appreciate the deep solumness of the mass. Despite a debriefing prior, it still didn’t prevent people from showing up late and continually cooing over the baby.

There are all kinds of incidents and circumstances that can come into play. Fix yourself before you complain about others.
 
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