Your Religion and Stance on Gay Rights

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What has lasted since the “dawn of man” as you say is a union between a man and a woman, not just a union between 2 people.
Or a union between and man and multiple women. 👍

Or between a man and what we would consider a child.

What we call “traditional” wasn’t always the case my friend. In fact, over the whole of human history what we call the traditional family wasn’t necessarily that common.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
It’s also off topic, This thread is about homosexual rights, not about your opinion on her religion. Why go out of your way to tell someone you don’t value their opinion as much because of their beliefs?
 
It’s also off topic, This thread is about homosexual rights, not about your opinion on her religion. Why go out of your way to tell someone you don’t value their opinion as much because of their beliefs?
Thanks for the assist. Don’t worry about it, though. I’m used to it. 🙂
 
Eris Discordia;6406702:
Well, I am de-lurking for this. Anyway, I am Discordian, and my religion states that: I don’t care what people do in their bedroom, and Eris sure as heck doesn’t either. (Eris is the matron deity.)

I’m pansexual, which means I will date someone for personality, not gender. As long as the person is a consenting adult, and I am attracted to them in that way, It’s all good. I’m in a monogamous relationship with a man right now, but only because he’s attractive to me and I love his personality. If he was another gender (Female, trans, hermaphrodite, intersex ect), I’d still be dating him. Also, I am androgynous, so I do not consider myself either gender. Biologically, I’m female, but mentally I’m somewhere in the middle. As a Discordian, I see things on a spectrum, as opposed to black and white, including gender. So long story short, whoever you want to date/love/have sex with is all good, as long as they are consenting and of age. Pedophilia and other paraphilias do not count, because children and animals cannot consent.
Respectfully, you are so far outside the mainstream of normal thought and behavior that it lessens your opinion and point of view. I say that not to be mean or dismissive even though I know that’s how it sounds. The fact that you have to define or explain what half of your reply means is evidence enough of its fringe standing. Others may, but I really find it hard to take you seriously.
I gently urge you to try a little harder. 🙂

Encouragingly,
Mick
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It’s also off topic, This thread is about homosexual rights, not about your opinion on her religion. Why go out of your way to tell someone you don’t value their opinion as much because of their beliefs?
Back to the topic and my question to you. Do you think 3 consenting adults should be able to marry?
 
Back to the topic and my question to you. Do you think 3 consenting adults should be able to marry?
I’m sorry, but I’ve yet to see you anwer any of the questions I’ve asked before you had asked me, and I’m fully aware of remember your question without it being repeated to me a second time.
 
What rights do straight people have that gays don’t? Marriage is not a “right” by the way
 
It’s cool. I wouldn’t be the way I was if I couldn’t handle people judging me for being different 👍

Apology accepted. 🙂
 
What rights do straight people have that gays don’t? Marriage is not a “right” by the way
They’re lacking all of the rights that married people have. And people have a right to peruse happiness. If marrying someone of the same sex makes them happy, then they should be allowed to, if not in the church than civilly.
 
I’m sorry, but I’ve yet to see you anwer any of the questions I’ve asked before you had asked me, and I’m fully aware of remember your question without it being repeated to me a second time.
The attitude is unnecessary. Your questions seemed to be rhetorical. If you don’t want to answer mine, I really don’t care.
 
The attitude is unnecessary. Your questions seemed to be rhetorical. If you don’t want to answer mine, I really don’t care.
There’s no attitude here, I’m speaking to you with all the honesty and respect I can muster.

And if 3 people want to marry, then fine by me. The monetary benefits are to ensure that they can keep steady financially, now that they share possessions and in case of divorce, both can manage with what belongings they take out of the marriage. Plus it helps in plans of raising children, which homosexual couples, or 3 people, can adopt. The idea of 3 people marrying is not very common though. Marriage is usually between only two people due to the fact that in a romantic relationship, people want to feel like the other person loves them enough to commit to them and them alone. I honestly don’t see many polygamists complaining about the issue, do to the fact that most of these relationships tend to be for sexual benefits, honestly making it for the most part irrelevant. However, plenty of bisexuals and homosexuals are daily protesting, which I doubt would gather so many supporters if it were all for nothing but changing the definition of a word.
 
This question is open to all.

Me personally, am Agnostic, a bit Skeptical yet optimistic and open to the spiritual ideas of others.

I see no issue with homosexuals, and think that they deserve the exact same right as heterosexuals under the law.

However, I don’t believe the state has the right to say what “marriage” is, and needs to name it’s current marriages “civil unions” for all types of partnerships, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

Marriage is a very different meaning to people. To some it means the holy union of one man and one woman. To others it may mean absolutely nothing. To me it means a vow of commitment between two consenting peoples who share their love for each other faithfully, a bond that has lasted since the dawn of man.

This is open to people of all different religions (or lack of) and opinions.
My faith believes that the practice of homosexula union/sex is a grave sin, however we love ALL persons, and are deeply sympathetic of those who bear this cross.

(CCC)

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

As far as “civil rights” for homosexuals go, it would be sad in the extreme if we, the people, were to allow homosexuals to change the definition of marriage. I guess, if a state must act on this matter at all, than civil unions would be the only concession that a state should make. That keeps it financial and civil, and stays out of religious turf. It may even benefit heterosexuals finding themselves in a financial civil responbility situation with parents, children, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, neices, nephews, foster parents, friends etc. where an unusual,living situation has occurred, and it is beneficial or necessary to share property, medical information, etc. between any set or group of living partners who mutually wish to.

So, no problems with the civil unions, I guess.

I will reserve my personal opinions regarding the matter of whether or not sexual preferences rise to the level of civil rights at the level of state to begin with in the interest of Christian charity.
 
This question is open to all.

Me personally, am Agnostic, a bit Skeptical yet optimistic and open to the spiritual ideas of others.

I see no issue with homosexuals, and think that they deserve the exact same right as heterosexuals under the law.

However, I don’t believe the state has the right to say what “marriage” is, and needs to name it’s current marriages “civil unions” for all types of partnerships, whether heterosexual or homosexual.

Marriage is a very different meaning to people. To some it means the holy union of one man and one woman. To others it may mean absolutely nothing. To me it means a vow of commitment between two consenting peoples who share their love for each other faithfully, a bond that has lasted since the dawn of man.

This is open to people of all different religions (or lack of) and opinions.
The problem with this is that I believe it would just open doors to other problems. I think if gay’s were allowed to marry, then you would have the Muslims or whoever complaining that they are being oppressed because the U.S. doesn’t see a polygamus marriage from their home country valid. Then you would have one husband claiming 3 or 4 wives on his taxes in which the government would have to shovel out tons of money to them. In Canada you see this all the time, they let in so many immigrants from say Pakistan and then the Pakistanies that work as police or other uniformed jobs are complaining that they are not allowed to wear their turbans which is part of their religion. And of course the government then allows them to not obey their work uniform policy and then other religious groups start claiming that their religious beliefs are also being oppressed and so on…

And you probably won’t agree with me on this, but I believe that marriage was instituted by Christ. So that is why we marry today. And if someone thinks that marriage isn’t a union between a man and women, then why even get married? Adam and Eve didn’t, they just coexisted. So unless gay’s want to scam or fight the system or fight human tradition, then I don’t think there should even be a reason for them to be married.
 
Name one right I have as a heterosexual man that a gay man does not have?

Yours in Christ
Joe
Sometimes but not in all cases, a difference would/could be health insurance coverage.
Sometimes, but not in all cases families challenge wills and end up winning leaving the partner with nothing that the living person wished for them to have in the event of their death. There are other situations I can imagine.
 
religion: catholic

position on homosexuality and gay rights: hate it

position on gay people: love 'em
 
Sometimes but not in all cases, a difference would/could be health insurance coverage.
Sometimes, but not in all cases families challenge wills and end up winning leaving the partner with nothing that the living person wished for them to have in the event of their death. There are other situations I can imagine.
None of those have anything to do with rights. 🙂

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Arguing “civil union” vs. “marriage” is really just semantics. A man and woman vowing to be together for the rest of their life and raise children together is a marriage, no matter what anyone calls it.
In that case, “divorce” vs. “Catholic annulment” is really just semantics. “A man and a woman vowing to be together for the rest of their life and raise children together” had a marriage - no matter what a tribunal calls it.
 
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