Your What? (HS)

[AndyF]

                      The speaker steps up to the podium, "I'm Gay". In his "Aww-shucks, gee wizz" manner he blushes.

It has taken him this long to finally come out of the closet he says. Now he feels good and ready to take on life’s challenges.

I listened and I heard it all before. The symptoms are the same, and at least we can count on the predictability of the phases of this manifestation.

In my thoughts I was shouting out in frustration “Your NOT the sin”, “You have NOT become what you did.” ,“This is just the run-of-the-mill temptation, and we even know the demon. He’s the one described in Rev 3:15-19.”

What is occuring is that he is being tempted for the first time. Comes in two parts, secondly convince the victim it is a condition not an affliction, (subtlty being his area of expertise), with the assistance of secular opinion of course, firstly, suggest and allow him to delight in the thought of the act.

                                            Of the two creatures, temptor and temptee, there is certainly one that the condition applies, and he attempts to convince his charge that he also is conditioned, that he **IS** gay, and is this permanent state.
  
      St. Thomas Aquinas gives us a clue and says they are caught in their condition.
  
              "The fallen angels are obstinate in evil, unrepentant, inflexibly determined in their sin. This follows from their nature as pure spirits, for the choice of a pure spirit is necessarily **final and unchanging**".

I leave it to you, which of the two creatures better fits the permanent state, the condition as it were?, Who actually IS anything.? Who would we choose to label as anything? Who is it that can never be redeemed? It is the demon of perversity.

Christ quickly comes to the side of those who he can do something about, those afflicted by temptation, as he cannot redeem those who have chosen to be conditioned.

      The conclusion is that man can choose to throw off this temptation, one of the most difficult as it feels like *a good*, and Thomas helps us see  that because man is NOT in condition, he is NOT an abomination, but the temptor surely is.

Friends, it is the utmost importance to tell these afflicted that they have not become the sin, that if they are anything, they ARE a servant of God who has simply taken the wrong path because of deception. They are in the midst of a sham and need to trust God.

Andy

(I had trouble cutting and pasting this from my other post, so I may have picked up a frame or two, so forgive the bad formatting.)

 

[awalt]

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

The Church says It’s a severely disordered behavior.

Accepting it, is accepting that we know morality better than God.

In terms of God’s commandments, it’s no different than murder or lying. Substitute “a murderer” or “a liar” or any other sin. Does that make it right? God doesn’t think so, that’s all that counts.

Believe in God means accept Him fully.

 

[Oliviad]

If we love a slave to such a sin, we must offer the most profitable assistance: unfailing Faith. If it takes a seaon of Prayer and Fasting, we must support the cause of such a one’s Salvation with patient constancy, never forgetting that we propitiate the ONE WHO spoke and the heavens and the earth were. To be faithlessly polite is a defeatest theft from what our Faith could help to usher a captive of a great vice into.

 

[puzzleannie]

The early church required public confession and penance for serious sin. the fashion today is public confession of one’s intent to go on sinning and an expression of pride in that sin, and emotional blackmail for support from one’s audience in that persistance. So far has mankind fallen.

 

[Nance]

Good Post Andy
and very clear and informative