"You're not listening to me"

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Maybe get a book on assertive training. I took an assertive training course and it does help on how to talk to others to be assertive with them, not passive, not aggressive but assertive. It does help communication.

I need to change my first sentence to, “I would advise.” “Maybe” is too passive. LOL
 
My late mother was still trying to tell me what to do when I was 63. I had married and raised four children and she still thought I couldn’t do things right. Some parents just don’t want to let go the apron strings. The only one who can fix that is the parent who is still trying to hang on to authority.

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I’m not sure how much I can do. My memory’s probably not accurate enough to be fair to her. But here’s how I often feel conversations go:

Me: I’ve decided the best course of action is for me to take a bit of extra time finishing school, because I’m having trouble with my health.
Mom: You really need to finish up soon though. I’m worried about you getting farther behind.
Me: I understand that, but I think it’s a greater risk that if I keep trying to push my health could give out to where I can’t work.
Mom: But you really need to not get farther behind.
Me: I know this isn’t an ideal situation, but I think this is the best choice.
Mom: You’re not listening to me! You really need to not get farther behind!
Potential continuation of this conversation could go something like this:
You (using a nice, neutral voice): Mom, what ways do you think I could do this without getting further behind?

Mom: I think you could do blah, blah, blah.

You: Oh mom, that’s really interesting. I hadn’t thought about blah, blah, blah. (Repeat back what she said–paraphrasing it correctly demonstrates active listening.)

Or You: Oh mom thanks for suggesting that I consider (blah, blah, blah–paraphrase active listening skills.) I had thought about it, but I did not think it would work because I was concerned about x, y, and z. How do you think I could work it out given x, y, and z?

Basically, repeat back what she said and ask her questions to clarify with her that you understand her correctly. Understanding and listening to someone does not have to mean that you agree with them and do everything that person says. It simply means that you hear them out and are able the express their opinion. If you can demonstrate to your mom that you understand her enough to repeat back what she said, she may feel like you have considered her opinion before you decided something else–and if she is a reasonable person that may be all that she is asking.
 
There’s a new coinage called “mansplaining” for when men explain stuff to women that the women don’t need to have explained to them.

I think that “momsplaining” also deserves a term of its own. That’s when your mom explains to you how to do something that you’ve been doing perfectly well for the past 20 years. (I need to try not to do that to my kids.)
 
There’s a new coinage called “mansplaining” for when men explain stuff to women that the women don’t need to have explained to them.

I think that “momsplaining” also deserves a term of its own. That’s when your mom explains to you how to do something that you’ve been doing perfectly well for the past 20 years. (I need to try not to do that to my kids.)
Where’s the like button on here 👍
 
There’s a new coinage called “mansplaining” for when men explain stuff to women that the women don’t need to have explained to them.

I think that “momsplaining” also deserves a term of its own. That’s when your mom explains to you how to do something that you’ve been doing perfectly well for the past 20 years. (I need to try not to do that to my kids.)
I like that one!! My Mom was explaining to me how to properly dust a table 45 years after I had learned to do it by myself! She also was still telling me how to use a toaster, drive a car, open an envelope and make a bed when I was 62 years old!! Never quit until the day she died. Bless her soul, she’s probably still telling me how to do things, wherever she may be!
 
There’s a new coinage called “mansplaining” for when men explain stuff to women that the women don’t need to have explained to them.

I think that “momsplaining” also deserves a term of its own. That’s when your mom explains to you how to do something that you’ve been doing perfectly well for the past 20 years. (I need to try not to do that to my kids.)
Definitely!
 
Potential continuation of this conversation could go something like this:
You (using a nice, neutral voice): Mom, what ways do you think I could do this without getting further behind?

Mom: I think you could do blah, blah, blah.

You: Oh mom, that’s really interesting. I hadn’t thought about blah, blah, blah. (Repeat back what she said–paraphrasing it correctly demonstrates active listening.)

Or You: Oh mom thanks for suggesting that I consider (blah, blah, blah–paraphrase active listening skills.) I had thought about it, but I did not think it would work because I was concerned about x, y, and z. How do you think I could work it out given x, y, and z?

Basically, repeat back what she said and ask her questions to clarify with her that you understand her correctly. Understanding and listening to someone does not have to mean that you agree with them and do everything that person says. It simply means that you hear them out and are able the express their opinion. If you can demonstrate to your mom that you understand her enough to repeat back what she said, she may feel like you have considered her opinion before you decided something else–and if she is a reasonable person that may be all that she is asking.
I do get what you’re saying. Of course, the problem with reasonable people is that they’re in short supply. I do wish I could ban the whole “experience” line though - I haven’t come up with a good response to it yet.
 
I’m not sure how much I can do. My memory’s probably not accurate enough to be fair to her. But here’s how I often feel conversations go:

Me: I’ve decided the best course of action is for me to take a bit of extra time finishing school, because I’m having trouble with my health.
Mom: You really need to finish up soon though. I’m worried about you getting farther behind.
Me: I understand that, but I think it’s a greater risk that if I keep trying to push my health could give out to where I can’t work.
Mom: But you really need to not get farther behind.
Me: I know this isn’t an ideal situation, but I think this is the best choice.
Mom: You’re not listening to me! You really need to not get farther behind!
Maybe try reassuring her feelings.
Eg:
Mum:You really need to finish up soon though.I’m worried you’ll be left behind.
You: Don’t worry Mum,it will be ok.
Or
You:Thankyou mum for caring.I know what you mean ,but don’t worry I’ve got it under control.
 
Maybe try reassuring her feelings.
Eg:
Mum:You really need to finish up soon though.I’m worried you’ll be left behind.
You: Don’t worry Mum,it will be ok.
Or
You:Thankyou mum for caring.I know what you mean ,but don’t worry I’ve got it under control.
The trouble I’ve had there is that this sort of thing just makes her feel like I’m blowing her off. She doesn’t see how I’m handling things (often even after I’m not sure how else to explain it), so she doesn’t think they’re under control. And my assuring her they are just makes her feel like I’m set in my ways and don’t care what she says or what she’s worried about.
 
How about, “I’ve talked to my advisor/mentor/the grad director and he says blah blah blah.”
 
How about, “I’ve talked to my advisor/mentor/the grad director and he says blah blah blah.”
That’s actually part of the problem right now. She…blames the immediate department for many things in my situation, and does not understand why I don’t push harder against them. It is not their fault - some of the problems just were, and some came from higher up in the bureaucracy. In any case trying to demand more would only hurt me, and they aren’t the ones who have the actual power to change what would have helped. But she does not seem to get that; she thinks I’m just being too scared to stand up for myself. I think when she went to grad school her individual department had more power than mine does here.
 
DarkLight said:

“She…blames the immediate department for many things in my situation, and does not understand why I don’t push harder against them.”

Yeah, I don’t think that would go over well.
 
DarkLight said:

“She…blames the immediate department for many things in my situation, and does not understand why I don’t push harder against them.”

Yeah, I don’t think that would go over well.
More to the point, from as best as I can tell the situation the immediate department isn’t the one in control of the issues here. There has been a definite “keep up or get out” attitude that doesn’t make allowance for health or other problems. But it’s not coming from my immediate department - it’s coming from the people higher up who control and make rules about the funding, and make it impossible for the department to make many allowances. And there’s not a whole lot I can do directly against them. There are ways but the trouble and risk (including the potential career risks if a case becomes too public) are very high.

She wants me to go in and demand more because I deserve it. She’s worried about me not standing up for myself. And I haven’t been able to convince her that I really do understand the situation.
 
She says I’m not listening in regards to that situation a lot. What doesn’t help as well is that she says a lot very quickly, and often in a very emotionally charged manner…I find it overwhelms me easily and I can’t really take in what she’s saying. Especially since the questions at the end are often not ones I can answer because the background is wrong, and I haven’t been able to get her to slow down and back up. She’ll get upset because I’m not answering her questions, and says a lot of times that I’m saying confusing things or contradicting myself.

That’s been a common problem going both ways, I suspect. I often have cases where she’ll start with “But you said…” and then come out with something that isn’t true and I never remember saying. But she remembers it as something that I said and gets upset and confused when I say it isn’t true. I feel like she subconsciously “fills in” the story as I talk, and that a lot of what she fills in becomes part of what I said.
 
I get the impression that faculty can’t stand uppity, high-maintenance graduate students, so I agree that your mom’s approach is a really bad idea. You need these people to write recommendations for you.

Is your funding getting cut off because you’re off track?
 
DarkLight said:

“She’s worried about me not standing up for myself.”

That’s ironic, don’t you think?

“I feel like she subconsciously “fills in” the story as I talk, and that a lot of what she fills in becomes part of what I said.”

Yep.

I suggest email for communicating anything detailed or complicated.

Or not communicating anything detailed or complicated to your mom. Your choice.
 
I get the impression that faculty can’t stand uppity, high-maintenance graduate students, so I agree that your mom’s approach is a really bad idea. You need these people to write recommendations for you.

Is your funding getting cut off because you’re off track?
It’s been reduced, at least. It was over the department’s wishes, actually - our chair didn’t want to see students with legitimate medical issues cut off, especially not in a case where proper treatment could get someone back to work. They really worked quite hard to get me even that reduced level. The top-level office that controls funding for all graduate students said I couldn’t have more, and they’re the ones in charge of what money our department can use for that purpose. My department would have given it back happily if they’d been allowed.

It worked out ok. I got a part-time job at the local Catholic school to help with living expenses, and I still managed to get tuition arranged so I could finish without having to pay more. I might bring stuff up later with our union (the “we can’t find anyone to handle disability accommodations for graduate assistants” was rather spectacular), but the department is definitely not to blame in this case.
 
DarkLight said:

“She’s worried about me not standing up for myself.”

That’s ironic, don’t you think?

“I feel like she subconsciously “fills in” the story as I talk, and that a lot of what she fills in becomes part of what I said.”

Yep.

I suggest email for communicating anything detailed or complicated.

Or not communicating anything detailed or complicated to your mom. Your choice.
I get it, it’s just…it’s really frustrating in this case because I don’t think she’s doing things intentionally. She’s always had some issues with memory. Add to that, we both talk very differently. She often feels that it’s hard to get the whole story out of me, or that I leave out important things. I feel like when she talks she includes more information than I know what to do with at one time and I can’t figure out how most of it matters. I’ve brought it up and she tells me I shouldn’t leave out so much - but I don’t know what I’m leaving out, and she has no idea how to explain it to me.

It doesn’t just happen on major issues either. I’ve had it come up on extremely minor issues - although there does seem to be a pattern that what she fills in makes the situation more serious or more important than it is. Or if it’s a serious situation it makes it more obvious where the problem is and what to do about it. But I’ve had it happen even in very casual conversations - very frustrating because you never know when a “but you said…” or “why didn’t you do…” will come up.
 
Well, you seem to put a lot of effort into listening and trying to understand, so I don’t know why she would say you are not listening. Unless it is because she wants you to do what she wants and says, period.

You certainly express yourself well and are intelligent, so she must understand what you say to her. You are trying really hard and she may be the one who is not listening. Because she just doesn’t want to. Maybe she just wants to be right and that is all there is to it.

Most young people would just argue with their parent under these circumstances and make their choices regardless. Your mother should be happy you are trying and giving her words a lot of thought.

Me? I probably would have said, “Well, you’re not listening either!” then maybe walked out and slammed the door. Or at least get in the car and take a drive. Doesn’t feel good, but I suppose it has to happen at some point between parents and their children. Guess lots of young people are like that, fighting their parents is a way to stand up for themselves. Sounds like she is not listening to you.
 
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