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Paris Blues said:
I suspect that a Baptist Christian or an E. Orthodox Christian would not agree with this.
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I suspect that a Baptist Christian or an E. Orthodox Christian would not agree with this.
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Lisa4Catholics
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Ric said:
Christ’s Church is made up of ALL believers in Him alone!
Jesus started the Catholic Church:nope:
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Ric
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No, Jesus started His Church, not the Roman Catholic church (which started in the 4th century). :tiphat:
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Little_Mary
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The Catholic church IS His church - it obeys everything He taught. If you love Jesus, why don’t you do the same?
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Church_Militant
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“No it’s not…yes it is…no it’s not… yes it is…” like arguing children in a schoolyard.
Can you trace the leadership of YOUR particular branch of Christianity in a straight line all the way back to Peter? NO…you cannot. That’s a simple fact of history. Catholicism, however, can indeed trace our line of leadership right back to the apostles who were picked by Christ himself.
Here’s a list that might offer some insight:
This column by Ann Landers appeared in The Arizona Republic newspaper on Wednesday, November 20, 1996
Dear Readers: Do you have any idea when your religion was founded and by whom? If you are not interested in the subject, skip today’s column and go directly to the horoscope. I found the following fascinating:
If you are a member of the Jewish faith, your religion was founded by Abraham about 4,000 years ago.
If you are Hindu, your religion developed in India around l,500 B.C.
If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.
If you are Roman Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year A.D. 30.
If you are Islamic, Mohammed started your religion in what is now Saudi Arabia around A.D. 600.
If you are Eastern Orthodox, your sect separated from Roman Catholicism around the year 1054.
If you are Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the Year 1560.
If you are Unitarian, your group developed in Europe in the 1500s.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off Puritanism in the early 1600s in England.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are an Episcopalian, your religion came from England to the American colonies. It formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.
f you are a Mormon (Latter-day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1830.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.
If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870s.
If you are Pentecostal, your religion was started in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1901.
If you are an agnostic, you profess an uncertainty or a skepticism about the existence of God.
If you are an atheist, you do not believe in the existence of God.
Pax vobiscum,
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Ric
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Church Militant said:“No it’s not…yes it is…no it’s not… yes it is…” like arguing children in a schoolyard.
Thanks for that long copy and paste that I did not read (nor care to), I only care what God says!
BTW, My daddy is bigger than your daddy!
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Little_Mary
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Maybe you’d better. Learning is a good thing :yup:Thanks for that long copy and paste that I did not read (nor care to), I only care what God says!
BTW, My daddy is bigger than your daddy!
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Church_Militant
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Well gee Ric,Thanks for that long copy and paste that I did not read (nor care to), I only care what God says!
If the truth hurts and you don’t love the truth enough to face it head on then that sort of inhibits your following of Jesus doesn’t it? “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” and since the Holy Spirit is the one who leads us into all truth, your problem is with Him. It’s your soul…
Pax tecum
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La_Chiara
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Hmmm, you are an evangelical Protestant. You come to Catholic forums with a closed mind. You react like a little boy–fingers in his ears, eyes closed tight, pouting, and crying “Na na I’m not listening!” :tsktsk:
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ComradeAndrei
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The original statement stated that if you put down or deny the Catholic Church, you are putting down Jesus-which is true. This did not imply legitimate criticism was “anti-Catholic”.
Nor would the quote be offensive or meant to “put anyone down”. The Catholic Church is the only True Faith, granted that other Christians share in the unity of Catholicism through their Trinitarian baptism. This unity is, however, imperfect.
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system
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God said to follow the apostles, what church did they start in?I only care what God says!
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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Church Militant:
That list is so old
- and more to the point, it only works if one has a more or less Catholic conception, of the Church as a visible body, anyway ##
**## Michael, **“No it’s not…yes it is…no it’s not… yes it is…” like arguing children in a schoolyard.
Can you trace the leadership of YOUR particular branch of Christianity in a straight line all the way back to Peter? NO…you cannot. That’s a simple fact of history. Catholicism, however, can indeed trace our line of leadership right back to the apostles who were picked by Christ himself.
Here’s a list that might offer some insight:
This column by Ann Landers appeared in The Arizona Republic newspaper on Wednesday, November 20, 1996
Dear Readers: Do you have any idea when your religion was founded and by whom? If you are not interested in the subject, skip today’s column and go directly to the horoscope. I found the following fascinating:
If you are a member of the Jewish faith, your religion was founded by Abraham about 4,000 years ago.
If you are Hindu, your religion developed in India around l,500 B.C.
If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.
If you are Roman Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year A.D. 30.
If you are Islamic, Mohammed started your religion in what is now Saudi Arabia around A.D. 600.
If you are Eastern Orthodox, your sect separated from Roman Catholicism around the year 1054.
If you are Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the Year 1560.
If you are Unitarian, your group developed in Europe in the 1500s.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off Puritanism in the early 1600s in England.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are an Episcopalian, your religion came from England to the American colonies. It formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.
**## As a former Anglican, I can say with certainty that this is not so - for the Anglican Church in the USA was in communion with Canterbury: and Seabury was a regularly consecrated Anglican ecclesiastic: **
http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/282.html
Seabury belonged to a different Church from the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Scottish Episcopalian bishops who were his consecrators, in exactly the same sense as Arcbishop John Carroll belonged to a different Church from the Pope in whose pontificate he was first ordained a bishop - IOW, change of nation does not mean loss of communion. Seabury was no more the founder of a separate religion than Carroll was. ##
That list is so old
- and more to the point, it only works if one has a more or less Catholic conception, of the Church as a visible body, anyway ##
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Gottle_of_Geer
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But that is the point - legitimate criticism can be deflected, if one calls it “anti-Catholic” so as to avoid having to take it seriously.
To persecute Christians is to persecute Christ, granted - it is not so clear that criticising a Church is doing so. Christians are quite capable of denying Christ by their lives while being wholly orthodox as Catholics.The Church has to take seriously her own potential for being a stumbling-block to those who “seek” God - because individuals have to. If St.Peter could be a means for satan to tempt Christ, and could be a stumbling-block to Him - then we are unlikely to be so very different from St. Peter. We can’t make Christ stumble - but we can make others do so
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cheddarsox
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Gottle of Geer said:## But that is the point - legitimate criticism can be deflected, if one calls it “anti-Catholic” so as to avoid having to take it seriously.
To persecute Christians is to persecute Christ, granted - it is not so clear that criticising a Church is doing so. Christians are quite capable of denying Christ by their lives while being wholly orthodox as Catholics.
The Church has to take seriously her own potential for being a stumbling-block to those who “seek” God - because individuals have to. If St.Peter could be a means for satan to tempt Christ, and could be a stumbling-block to Him - then we are unlikely to be so very different from St. Peter. We can’t make Christ stumble - but we can make others do so
Yes, yes, when any group sets itself up in this manner, claiming to speak against the church, is to speak against God, they are using fear and psychological tactics to control members, and to incite members to see all outsiders/dissenters as the enemy.
Sometimes all of us need to be called back to our best selves. Some of the saints are honored because they served this role in the church. When they “attacked” the church, it was to call it back to it’s true mission. They were not against the church,they were for it.
We must all be humble enough to keep our ears and hearts open. Not fools or weak before all criticism, but wise and discerning. Fear and anger are blocks to discernment.
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Church Militant:
I also like this list, but it gets a little confusing when you mix religions with the different denominations (and cults–at least in terms of beliefs, if not from a sociological standpoint regarding age of sect). Pentecostal, Baptist, and Catholic are all different traditions revolving around the same religion of Christianity.“No it’s not…yes it is…no it’s not… yes it is…” like arguing children in a schoolyard.
Can you trace the leadership of YOUR particular branch of Christianity in a straight line all the way back to Peter? NO…you cannot. That’s a simple fact of history. Catholicism, however, can indeed trace our line of leadership right back to the apostles who were picked by Christ himself.
Here’s a list that might offer some insight:
This column by Ann Landers appeared in The Arizona Republic newspaper on Wednesday, November 20, 1996
Dear Readers: Do you have any idea when your religion was founded and by whom? If you are not interested in the subject, skip today’s column and go directly to the horoscope. I found the following fascinating:
If you are a member of the Jewish faith, your religion was founded by Abraham about 4,000 years ago.
If you are Hindu, your religion developed in India around l,500 B.C.
If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.
If you are Roman Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year A.D. 30.
If you are Islamic, Mohammed started your religion in what is now Saudi Arabia around A.D. 600.
If you are Eastern Orthodox, your sect separated from Roman Catholicism around the year 1054.
If you are Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk in the Catholic Church, in 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the Year 1560.
If you are Unitarian, your group developed in Europe in the 1500s.
If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off Puritanism in the early 1600s in England.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.
If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are an Episcopalian, your religion came from England to the American colonies. It formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.
f you are a Mormon (Latter-day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1830.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.
If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870s.
If you are Pentecostal, your religion was started in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1901.
If you are an agnostic, you profess an uncertainty or a skepticism about the existence of God.
If you are an atheist, you do not believe in the existence of God.
Pax vobiscum,
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adventistnomore
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Have you ever spent any time in the Ante-Nicene fathers? What doctrines/practices made the Chruch “Catholic” in the 4th century? What changed? The ball’s in your court.
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Eden
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mark_a
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Thanks, we forgot.
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Ric
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mark a:
It’s good to be reminded of the truth once in a while!
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Eden
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Ric
We’re waiting for you in the Apologetics section.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=62758
We’re waiting for you in the Apologetics section.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=62758
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