Youth Indoctrination into Naturalistic Matrialism

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trth_skr said:
Take a look at this latest blog piece. It happened in East Germany. How about down the street at your local school?

Communist East Germany: Youth Indoctrination

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
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Perhaps empiricism has been successful in explaning the natural world without recourse to religious texts.

Also, I think one should complain about Pokémon promoting atheism. Hey, Ash Ketchum is depicted as an excellent Pokémon trainer, and he accomplished that without a belief in God. Also he is very moral, and he does not derive his sense of morality because he is afraid of offending God through sin.
 
Also, I think one should complain about Pokémon promoting atheism. Hey, Ash Ketchum is depicted as an excellent Pokémon trainer, and he accomplished that without a belief in God. Also he is very moral, and he does not derive his sense of morality because he is afraid of offending God through sin.
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When I was younger I was into Pokemon, and a connection between it and religion, if ever suggested to me, would’ve been the silliest thing I had ever heard of. I think I do remember some people protesting it, but it was lawyers saying that buying cards like that hoping to get good ones was a form of gambling, so illegal. I would’ve realized, even in sixth grade, that to base my beliefs about life, both now and after death, on a fictional character who goes around catching fictional animals is absurd.

To the OP, close to our schools I’d say, although (at least in my area) an outright mocking of God would’ve gotten a teacher in a LOT of trouble. I had a Buddhist teacher teaching me Biology, and he was my favorite teacher, but he also knew I was a Christian, and we had a respect for the other’s religions. I also had another teacher who was New Age, and she never said anything bad about Christianity. I did have one who obviously prefered Islam and Buddhism, and did make several remarks that I found offensive, but that was it.
 
Rawb said:
When I was younger I was into Pokemon, and a connection between it and religion, if ever suggested to me, would’ve been the silliest thing I had ever heard of. I think I do remember some people protesting it, but it was lawyers saying that buying cards like that hoping to get good ones was a form of gambling, so illegal. I would’ve realized, even in sixth grade, that to base my beliefs about life, both now and after death, on a fictional character who goes around catching fictional animals is absurd.
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I was saying it was atheistic precisely because it has no connection to religion.
 
This is getting Off Topic, but that reasoning is still flawed to me. Yes it has nothing to do with religion. It also has nothing to do with History, so should we base our history books off of it? What about biology, even though the cartoon has nothing to do with our world, our anatomy or evolution (or any *real *world, anatomy, or evolution).

Looking at the intent of the creators, it’s to make money and entertain little kids, not to teach us anything about religion or beliefs, so to draw conclusions about religion or beliefs from it is absurd. And yes, I consider athiesm to be a religion.

If you want to continue this though, you’ll have to open a new thread about it. I won’t post any more responses to it here, because that’s hijacking.

Sorry to the OP!
 
Rawb said:
This is getting Off Topic, but that reasoning is still flawed to me. Yes it has nothing to do with religion. It also has nothing to do with History, so should we base our history books off of it? What about biology, even though the cartoon has nothing to do with our world, our anatomy or evolution (or any *real *world, anatomy, or evolution).

Looking at the intent of the creators, it’s to make money and entertain little kids, not to teach us anything about religion or beliefs, so to draw conclusions about religion or beliefs from it is absurd. And yes, I consider athiesm to be a religion.

If you want to continue this though, you’ll have to open a new thread about it. I won’t post any more responses to it here, because that’s hijacking.

Sorry to the OP!
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Sorry about the segue, but I thought it was relevant to the opening post because the OP was referring to youth indoctrination, and one can argue Pokémon indoctrinates children to become atheists in extremely subtle ways (even without the consious intention of the authors for this), but not explicitly. Personally, I see the show slightly amiable towards atheism, although the original authors probably had no such sentiments. It is extremely unlikely that most people will perceive this “connection”, and I only perceived it by watching hundreds of episodes. You would not come to this conclusion through superficial analysis. I’ll end this now.

Of course, I see nothing wrong in teaching children about the scientific method and how successful it has been in explaining the world. How could that be “indoctrination”?
 
ribozyme said:
Sorry about the segue, but I thought it was relevant to the opening post because the OP was referring to youth indoctrination, and one can argue Pokémon indoctrinates children to become atheists in extremely subtle ways (even without the consious intention of the authors for this), but not explicitly. Personally, I see the show slightly amiable towards atheism, although the original authors probably had no such sentiments. It is extremely unlikely that most people will perceive this “connection”, and I only perceived it by watching hundreds of episodes. You would not come to this conclusion through superficial analysis. I’ll end this now…
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The difference is that Pokeman is not the explicit action of the government forced on all children. On the other hand, something as popular as Pokeman may be just as effective, and even implemented with parental consent…

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
 
Rawb said:
I would’ve realized, even in sixth grade, that to base my beliefs about life, both now and after death, on a fictional character who goes around catching fictional animals is absurd.
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Well, I guess you can call me a “Pokémon atheist”, one who believe in atheism for an inane reason (e.g. The Pokémon anime endorsed it because it never mentioned religion although it never explicitly mentioned atheism) 🙂 .

But on a more serious note, why does any of you people on this message board base your beliefs on life, both now and the alleged afterlife, on the Bible, the Catechism, and the Magisterium, I think to do that is absurd as basing your beliefs on your worldview on Ash Ketchum.

Regarding my own beliefs, I am an empiricist. Sense data tells me that I have no reason to believe life is anything beyond a throng of molecules that are undergoing Darwinian evolution. I also perceive no evidence of the afterlife too.

It’s Pokémon! It’s Pokémon!!! Not “Pokeman” or “Pokemon”! To do that would be similar to a chemist writing “para-dichlorobenzene” instead of “para-dichlorobenzene”. A similar error is repeated here: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309fea3.asp

It’s cis fatty acids, not cis fatty acids, and trans fatty acid, not trans fatty acid.I guess the reviewer did not have a handbook from IUPAC. He correctly pointed out that trans, in general, would be favored under usual conditions over cis. These are different rules than when one deals with enantiomers because* cis* isomers are not favored in organic synthesis because of steric hinderence.

“On the whole, biochemistry has proven as depressing for Darwinists as the fossil record.”

Robin Bernhoft, you should talk to Gerald Joyce and David Bartel and read their work. 🙂 (Click on the polymerase ribozyme in my sig would be a start 🙂 ) Also, Stryer’s Biochemistry (available online) provides evidence for evolution in the context of biochemistry as predicted from the processes of divergent evolution. In addition, we get to appreciate the wonderful design in nature; I really like the way how some bacteria inhibit translocation in the eukaryotic ribosome so it inhibits protein synthesis. Thank you intelligent designer :rolleyes: . I also like the mechanism on how cholera toxin interferes with signal transduction by inhibiting the hydrolysis of GTP in the G-protein causing adenylate cyclase to keep converting ATP to cAMP.

It goes to show that biochemistry isn’t all about beauty: it’s survival of the fittest, too. It’s Evolution Baby! (warning: video might be quite graphic).
 
Heh, ribozyme is funny.

You want to be a chemist when you grow up huh? Either that or a pokemon master (Sorry, don’t know how to make the friggen little tilde over my e) or Nurse Betty.

About the OP. The whole German Socialist teaching thing is just like what Christians do, except it’s maybe more honest.
 
Hubriss said:
Heh, ribozyme is funny.

You want to be a chemist when you grow up huh? Either that or a pokemon master (Sorry, don’t know how to make the friggen little tilde over my e) or Nurse Betty.

About the OP. The whole German Socialist teaching thing is just like what Christians do, except it’s maybe more honest.
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I want to work here when I grow older. 🙂 I actually do not like chemistry that much, but if you add Darwinian evolution to the equation, now it is fun. After that, I want to conduct original research in the field of biochemistry like Joyce and Bartel.

I don’t know either, but just copy and paste from my previous post. It is Nurse Joy in Pokémon.

But, I think this is relevant to the OP because I am asking why teaching people about empiricism is the equivalent of indoctrination.
 
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