Youtube Mass Videos

[NPC]

Yesterday, I posted a reply on another thread regarding chanting the Eucharistic Prayer. A fellow poster included a link to a Youtube video in which the priest sings a Eucharistic Prayer setting by Marty Haugen. Here is the link. I couldn’t believe my eyes or my ears! Everything about it seemed wrong - musical accompaniment (all instruments are to be silent for the E.P.), I’m quite sure that the text is not an approved text from the missal, the congregation are assigned numerous responses where there shouldn’t be any (as well as the usual ones), the priest failed to genuflect at the consecration. The list goes on - overall it seemed like a concert performance rather than a Eucharistic celebration. I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that it was the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday night, if it weren’t stated on the Youtube page. I can’t see how the priest could have been giving his attention to the Mass when he’s looking at the musical score constantly as well as “conducting” the congregation.

Unfortunately, I didn’t stop at that video, and later came across another one - here. I’m sure there are many more besides this, and one can be sure that such Masses are far more widespread than Youtube might suggest. I’ve heard priests change the odd word of the canon here and there - which itself is unacceptable - but I’ve never seen such ad lib-ing as this celebrant does. Waving hands in the air at “For the kingdom the power and the glory…”. Breaking the sacred Host at the moment of consecration. No genuflection. The old holding hands during the Pater Noster. The choir in the sanctuary just seems wrong - again, in my opinion, it turns the whole thing into a concert-like performance. The list goes on.

I haven’t really got a specific question, but would love to hear what you think. Is this as bad as it gets at this most solemn part of the Holy Mass? I’m not saying we don’t have liturgical abuses in Ireland, but these videos really take the biscuit - I hope these “Spirit of Vatican II” innovations are kept well at bay. I wonder has anyone here ever addressed these kinds of abuses to the clergy concerned, or the bishop? Were there any positive results? Surely our bishops can’t be supporting this kind of liturgy - should we be alerting them to incidents (I mean those of us who are outside of the dioceses concerned)? Anyone, perchance, think these are great liturgies? Why?

Anyway, as I say, this was mostly a rant (which you know by now I’m quite good at), but I really would love to hear any responses. Thanks.

 

[seagal]

I agree, it certainly seemed more of a stage production than a mass, especially with the trumpets sounding at the doxology. He didn’t elevate the host at the consecration of the bread, he just had the ciborium in his hands. I can understand someone wanting to emphasize the sense of grandeur and majesty of the mass, but I think this is really going overboard. Did you notice the children dressed as angels? I don’t know what the purpose of that was.

 

[Phemie]

Yesterday, I posted a reply on another thread regarding chanting the Eucharistic Prayer. A fellow poster included a link to a Youtube video in which the priest sings a Eucharistic Prayer setting by Marty Haugen. Here is the link. I couldn’t believe my eyes or my ears! Everything about it seemed wrong - musical accompaniment (all instruments are to be silent for the E.P.),

It’s Haugen’s “Mass of Remembrance” setting. I’ve read that he has settings for the EP in all his Mass settings and yes, the musical accompaniment is forbidden.

I’m quite sure that the text is not an approved text from the missal, the congregation are assigned numerous responses where there shouldn’t be any (as well as the usual ones), the priest failed to genuflect at the consecration.

It is an approved text, it’s the EP from Masses of Reconciliation II. Being curious I went to the office check it out. The acclamations are Haugen’s own addition though.

As for the genuflection, you wouldn’t believe how many priests don’t genuflect. The last pastor I had who did was ill and in his 70s. That was 5 years ago. The healthy, younger priests we have here never genuflect.

I went to get the theThe list goes on - overall it seemed like a concert performance rather than a Eucharistic celebration. I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that it was the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday night, if it weren’t stated on the Youtube page. I can’t see how the priest could have been giving his attention to the Mass when he’s looking at the musical score constantly as well as “conducting” the congregation.

If he were chanting it he’d still have to look at the score so that’s not a concern. But I can’t believe they would use that EP on Holy Thursday!

 

[NPC]

If he were chanting it he’d still have to look at the score so that’s not a concern. But I can’t believe they would use that EP on Holy Thursday!

Well, I know that’s true - to an extent though. Given that if he were to use one of the standard chant tones, it would be quite repetitive and there is much, much less that could go wrong. The chant flows naturally, and so one doesn’t have to concentrate of keeping time for example. We mentioned him not genuflecting - the music even restricts the priest there: imagine if he missed a bar because he took time to adore the Lord, the whole thing could get out of sync!

 

[NPC]

It is an approved text, it’s the EP from Masses of Reconciliation II. Being curious I went to the office check it out. The acclamations are Haugen’s own addition though.

Thanks for clearing that up too, Phemie. You’re correct of course! I don’t remember ever hearing that Eucharistic Prayer before, but I checked it out for myself a few moments ago… Haugen has tweaked the text in a few places as far as I can tell, but nothing as drastic as I had first thought (of course we know it should be word for word, but I hastily thought that Haugen had taken liberties with the entire text).

Seagal - yes, I did notice the “angels”… they come forward after the Sanctus, I think. Perhaps the idea was to recall and symbolise that line from Eucharistic Prayer I: “…we pray that your angel may take this sacrifice to your altar in heaven…”. However, it seems like something from a Nativity play…in my opinion, it is not something which would add to the solemnity of the Holy Thursday Mass of the Lord’s Supper!

 

[PadraigPearce]

Ha Ha, that was really, really tacky. When does this guy open on Broadway?

 

[CDNowak]

It’s Haugen’s “Mass of Remembrance” setting. I’ve read that he has settings for the EP in all his Mass settings and yes, the musical accompaniment is forbidden.

It is an approved text, it’s the EP from Masses of Reconciliation II. Being curious I went to the office check it out. The acclamations are Haugen’s own addition though.

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“colinvenye”(well the full name transliterates to erucolindo venye, I doubt CAF supports Tengwar) here, thanks for the correction. Of course the added acclimations are a horrible abuse, and the use of this prayer for Holy Thursday utterly confounding (especially given that there is a proper Hanc Igitur for the Canon, which is a good indication that it should be used*).

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*of course, I think that it should always be used

 

[ConvertHereYay]

Yesterday, I posted a reply on another thread regarding chanting the Eucharistic Prayer. A fellow poster included a link to a Youtube video in which the priest sings a Eucharistic Prayer setting by Marty Haugen. Here is the link. I couldn’t believe my eyes or my ears! Everything about it seemed wrong - musical accompaniment (all instruments are to be silent for the E.P.), I’m quite sure that the text is not an approved text from the missal, the congregation are assigned numerous responses where there shouldn’t be any (as well as the usual ones), the priest failed to genuflect at the consecration. The list goes on - overall it seemed like a concert performance rather than a Eucharistic celebration. I certainly wouldn’t have guessed that it was the Mass of the Lord’s Supper on Holy Thursday night, if it weren’t stated on the Youtube page. I can’t see how the priest could have been giving his attention to the Mass when he’s looking at the musical score constantly as well as “conducting” the congregation.

Unfortunately, I didn’t stop at that video, and later came across another one - here. I’m sure there are many more besides this, and one can be sure that such Masses are far more widespread than Youtube might suggest. I’ve heard priests change the odd word of the canon here and there - which itself is unacceptable - but I’ve never seen such ad lib-ing as this celebrant does. Waving hands in the air at “For the kingdom the power and the glory…”. Breaking the sacred Host at the moment of consecration. No genuflection. The old holding hands during the Pater Noster. The choir in the sanctuary just seems wrong - again, in my opinion, it turns the whole thing into a concert-like performance. The list goes on.

I haven’t really got a specific question, but would love to hear what you think. Is this as bad as it gets at this most solemn part of the Holy Mass? I’m not saying we don’t have liturgical abuses in Ireland, but these videos really take the biscuit - I hope these “Spirit of Vatican II” innovations are kept well at bay. I wonder has anyone here ever addressed these kinds of abuses to the clergy concerned, or the bishop? Were there any positive results? Surely our bishops can’t be supporting this kind of liturgy - should we be alerting them to incidents (I mean those of us who are outside of the dioceses concerned)? Anyone, perchance, think these are great liturgies? Why?

Anyway, as I say, this was mostly a rant (which you know by now I’m quite good at), but I really would love to hear any responses. Thanks.

Heretic. Burn him. just kidding

Seems like a Broadway musical.