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hey dash!

I don’t know a whole lot about it but i think Justin’s main concern is to stop the emperor (whom the letter is addressed to) from persecuting Christians. Because the emperors both before and after him, had contempt for Christianity, Justin is reacting in quet an understandable way: highlighting the similarities in order to reduce contempt.

Whats interesting about Zeitgeist’s use of the quote from Justin is that if you take the whole thing in context and read the full letter you’ll see that it actually is evidence against the case of Christianity being borrowed from paganism. Because, if you take it in context you’ll nottice that, as i said, he is trying to find similarities in order to save the lives of his fellow Christians which causes us to ask: if Christianity was ‘borrowed’ and so ‘similar’ to the mystery cults and roman and egytian religions then why were Christians being persecuted for being so different and misunderstood? Also in reading the full letter you’ll notice that he says things like “in no instance, not even in any of those so called sons of Jupiter, did they imitate the being crucified” (ch 55). This is always ignored in the things like zietgeist which say that many other ‘gods’ were crucified.

Yea there are external similarities in all Religions but thats cause we live in a FINITE universe. There is only so much empirical/material ‘stuff’ that we can use to communicate deeper Religious Truths so after thousands of years you can certainly expect some overlap. If you want to see differences in Religions you’ll have to look deeper than whats presented empirically, at the REAL message of each Religion. And Justin’s letters are a great place to do that with Christianity. Where you’ll see Chist’s mandate to ‘Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you’ being lived out zealously in the early Church.

Also the day of Christ’s birth wasn’t ‘moved’ to dec 25th His birth was just celebrated on that day. We Catholics have always been liturgical. Like replacing the pagan festival in October with ‘all hallows’ ect.

Some of this has probably been said already, im just pop’n in to the thread.

Anyway God bless you all.
 
The origin of the Federal Reserve is NOT conspiracy! It is USURY! I will tell you what IS conspiracy theory, and that is the official story of 9-11. Who can believe this!? Why are Catholics in this forum not standing up against the globalists? The private, off shore bankers of the federal reserve are eugenicists. I can’t understand how any catholic could believe the official story of 9-11!
 
The people who are leading the fight against the official, and conspiratorial view of 9-11 are Christians, for the most part. Zeitgeist is a hit piece that uses truth about the federal reserve and 9-11, mixed with hogwash about Christianity. The goal is to smear Christians, and also to make Christians think that the parts about 9-11 and the fed are false. As a bonus to them, folks who know the truth about 9-11 and the fed are deceived by the false information about Christianity. I am looking high and low in this forum for a Catholic who knows the truth about the fed and 9-11. Unfolding right now, is a global government by the bankers, and for the bankers, a global carbon tax, and forced abortions and sterilizations.

I challenge anyone to show me how the official report of 9-11 is scientific. What is really telling, is when someone defends the official story. They are either ignoring the facts, or pushing some agenda. I stand against the eugenicists! I stand against the USURIOUS federal reserve. There are MANY good Catholics who are wise to what is going on right now, are any of you in here?
 
Ryan,

I agree with you about much of the Zeitgeist Movie - much of it is true. That’s what makes it so dangerous. Benjamin Franklin once said: “A half-truth is often the greater lie.”

But destroy everything that built Western Civilization for an insane Communist utopia? I don’t think so…
 
The movie offers a false solution. I do not agree with it’s proposed solution. But keep in mind that western civilization was NOT formed with a central bank. Central Banking is one of the tenants of Communism.
The solution Zeitgeist proposes is false. The info about the fed and 9-11 are true.
 
Yes, the Federal Reserve part is probably the most valid part of the movie. But 9-11 a conspiracy? That’s kinda hard to accept - though I guess I couldn’t rule it out.

'Not sure how you can “know” that the 9-11 part are true - especially when so much of the “Religion” part is completely fabricated.
 
Why people don’t make a Zeitgesit like movie about Buddhism being a religion derived from Manicheans?

God Bless You !!!
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See, that’s exactly what I mean! You are tricked by the format of the movie.

Three buildings fell at near free-fall speed into their footprint because two of them got hit by planes. It was done by 19 hijackers being directed by Osama Bin Laden, because they hate America’s freedom. Now THAT"S a conspiracy theory!!!

When 9-11 happened, the mainstream media told me Bin Laden did it because he hates our freedom. The reason the towers were picked is because he wanted to hurt our economy. Here we are, less than ten years later, with LESS freedom, and the WORST economy in decades. TOO BAD BIN LADEN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT! Our own leaders are globalists, who publicly support a one world order based on the model of collectivism… These are eugenicists folks, it is time for good people to wake up and start praying and acting. We gotta act, its like the old saying, “Pray for potatoes, then grab the hoe!”

Did you know… that Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 9-11?

It really doesn’t matter. What does matter is that the New World Order is being announced, there is no more time for denial. I don’t want my grandchildren born into serfdom. Good Catholic people are in high demand right now. What a time to be alive! Be Christ to everyone you encounter! Do not be afraid of the oligarchy. Pray for your enemies!
 
well, this is an older thread, but I thought I would post my comments on it for reasons which you will soon find out.
First of all, there is truth in this film, unfortunately, part 1 detracts from the entire film. Part 1 is garbage, pure and simple. How do I know? I spent my life until 2005 as a pagan, and now I’m in RCIA, so I can tell you that part 1 is to be ignored and not accurate.
As for the other truths in the film, some of it is pure speculation, and some correct, I’m too sleepy right now to go into all the detail, but if someone wants me to later I will do that.
I know this because for the last 3 years I’ve been investigating my dad’s triple homicide which is tied into some of this stuff. I have all the documented evidence, and witnesses (taped) and can give you a factual account of some of this. The evidence I have has been vetted by multiple sources, including law enforcement in some cases as well.
All this being said, some of it I can’t go into at this time.
The reason for this is after 3 years of investigating my dad’s triple homicide that happened in 1981, we (my detective and I) got our first arrest, some of this evidence will likely be used in court and can’t be shown publicly at this point so we don’t mess up the prosecution.
Another thing I want to make very clear to anyone that may read this, Catholic or non Catholic-
Many people in the ‘conspiracy’ circles are looking to blame someone or something for all of this stuff. Some of you have probably heard that the Jewish people are responsible, or England, or the Catholic church etc etc etc. I hear it all the time with what I deal with… the common phrase for the Catholic church is “all roads lead to Rome”… I nearly get sick when I hear this. Honestly.
From someone that has the evidence, has spoken one and one with the witnesses (including some in this film even), has researched all of this down to minuet detail, and works with law enforcement, I can tell you that NONE of these ‘theories’ is correct. The Catholic church has nothing to do with any of this conspiracy stuff (or I wouldn’t be in RCIA now), the Jewish people don’t either, unless you want to say some rouge mossad operatives do, the same with some rouge MI5 agents, and rouge CIA.
Now, onto the key point here… most reading this are probably Catholic, or protestant, that being said, we should be looking to Jesus and trying not to stress out over all of this. Yes, some of this is true, it’s bad, I know, it’s even scary, but we know that bad things are supposed to happen. We should try to stop it if possible, but we have to have trust in Jesus to guide us in what we do. We look to Him.
Honestly, if I hadn’t been looking to him and praying this entire time, I wouldn’t have gotten the evidence I have, I wouldn’t be this far along in the investigation. I have death threats all the time, I get followed, I’ve had a hit man warn me about my “life being terminated” but here I am, still smiling, still happy, and not freaking out. Sure I have stress, but the more I pray and the more I look to God the less I worry.
I realize that this post probably seems pretty far out to a lot of people, but some of you by reading this may even know who I am or may have seen me on TV. My story is easily verifiable and very well documented, it’s been reported on through AP, NBC, Los Angeles Times, NY Times and multiple other news sources. If anyone here is doubtful, feel free to send me a private message and I’ll give links to either the articles or TV clips.
Sorry, I feel I have to say this because over the last 3 years people hear my story and generally don’t believe it because it sounds like some soap opera lol… try living it 🙂
 
Rachel,

I’ve seen enough in my life to know better than to dismiss your story.

Regarding Zeitgeist, you’re absolutely right, “Part I: Religion” contains wacky, way-out-there lies that are actually easily disproven. But the rest of the movie does contain many truths (especially the “Federal Reserve” part), and that’s what makes the movie dangerous.

Benjamin Franklin once said that “The half-truth is often the greater lie.”
 
Part 1 and Part 2 are garbage, but I really liked Part 3 and i think there is more truth to it than we know.
 
Well, If some of you know about the gnostic myths, you can understand that modern astrology borrows elements from it, the planetary archons are replaced with only planets and such, why those people link it with Christianity?

I really want a movie about gnosticism and the influence of these myths in the world, and the battle of the gnostics to supress Christianity

A lot of anticatholic propaganda and the people is still ignorant about more important things

God Bless You !!!

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This movie does influence people. Several of my friends think it’s fascinating. It was also the favorite movie of the Tuscon murderer, Jared Loughner. Just like there’s a section on CA to refute anti-Catholic falsehoods, we need CA to refute this stuff.
 
Not sure if this has been posted (I haven’t gone through this entire thread, so please forgive), but this guy decided to show what was wrong with this film. I do not know if he is an atheist, agnostic, christian or of some other religion (I read it a while back).

This is the introduction.

This is Part One of the film.

You can read this extensive debunking of the film and on the other two parts on the site. Just check on the left hand to find the links to the other parts and more. He also seems to debunk a lot of conspiracy theories.
 
Hey all. Nice to see something about this Zeitgeist junk on this forum. I saw that movie as well. Listening to the Catholic Answers prog helps. I’ve heard them respond to similar questions reminding us how unique Jesus was in every way. No other, for example, spoke about HIMSELF, as Jesus did, calling Himself God-“I Am.” No one changed the world like Our Lord either. Attempts Atheists make in comparing other pagan gods to Jesus are truly ridiculous when we reflect and look into such claims. I’ve learned that our Church yawns whenever we fear, as She has dealt with attacks like these for 2000 years. My son introduced me to another Zeitgeist movie: Moving Forward. It attempts to explain our current money system as the root cause for the world’s problems and that re-building is the only answer. It seams very scientific in it’s approach and doesn’t blame religion for the current problem. What it does seem to say inadvertently is that religion offers no real solution to any big picture resolution. What I told my son for now(and I’m looking for any Catholic Apologist rebuttal I can find-none yet) is that No matter the system, culture, etc, if all would just do the two greatest commands Jesus uttered-"Love the Lord your God with all you heart, mind, soul, and strength, and Love your neighbor as yourself, the world would be a better place…again, no matter the economic, cultural system, whatever. I also told him the Church has greater concerns like lost souls, since our life on earth is but a drop to eternity. God is Good.
 
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