Zero tolerance for less than Catholic behavior

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While we understand the desire that Catholics have to defend what they believe, we also understand that it is never permissible for anyone, especially a Catholic to be rude, condescending and judgmental. These behaviors continue to be sins, even if one is defending the faith. One cannot defend the faith with sin.

Insulting Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, Orthodoxy or any other faith is a behavior in conflict with the Magisterium. The Magisterium has not given anyone license to speak for Catholicism in any manner other than charitably and respectfully. Therefore, any form of speech that is not in keeping with the form of speech used by the Magisterium cannot be tolerated as morally upright, even if one is defending truth. How others speak about Catholics does not mitigate our moral responsibility.

Catholic Answers Forums is a Catholic apostolate, not a secularized op ed site. Everyone is expected to act, speak, and behave according to Catholic standards of decency and sobriety.

There is some leniency in some of our forums, due to the nature of the forum, NOT ON TC FORUM.

TC Forum must represent Catholic tradition and Catholic customs at its best. This includes how we speak to each other, about others and how we react to the authority of the clergy, the Holy Father and those whom the Church places above us.

Anyone who cannot express an opinion without being sarcastic, rude, crude or cynical should find another forum.

If there are any questions please do not post them here. Send them to me via PM and I will try to address them.

There will be no more tolerance for behaviors described above. In simple language, speak with the same good manners that the Church speaks.

Thomas Casey
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So would we consider this less than Catholic? Or perhaps non-magisterial?

Of course it is not in its entirety.

CONDEMNING THE ERRORS OF MARTIN LUTHER

Exsurge Domine

Bull of Pope Leo X issued June 15, 1520

Arise, O Lord, and judge your own cause. Remember your reproaches to those who are filled with foolishness all through the day. Listen to our prayers, for foxes have arisen seeking to destroy the vineyard whose winepress you alone have trod. When you were about to ascend to your Father, you committed the care, rule, and administration of the vineyard, an image of the triumphant church, to Peter, as the head and your vicar and his successors. The wild boar from the forest seeks to destroy it and every wild beast feeds upon it.

Rebuking them, in violation of your teaching, instead of imploring them, he is not ashamed to assail them, to tear at them, and when he despairs of his cause, to stoop to insults. He is like the heretics “whose last defense,” as Jerome says, “is to start spewing out a serpent’s venom with their tongue when they see that their causes are about to be condemned, and spring to insults when they see they are vanquished.” For although you have said that there must be heresies to test the faithful, still they must be destroyed at their very birth by your intercession and help, so they do not grow or wax strong like your wolves. Finally, let the whole church of the saints and the rest of the universal church arise. Some, putting aside her true interpretation of Sacred Scripture, are blinded in mind by the father of lies. Wise in their own eyes, according to the ancient practice of heretics, they interpret these same Scriptures otherwise than the Holy Spirit demands, inspired only by their own sense of ambition, and for the sake of popular acclaim, as the Apostle declares. In fact, they twist and adulterate the Scriptures. As a result, according to Jerome, “It is no longer the Gospel of Christ, but a man’s, or what is worse, the devil’s.”

In virtue of our pastoral office committed to us by the divine favor we can under no circumstances tolerate or overlook any longer the pernicious poison of the above errors without disgrace to the Christian religion and injury to orthodox faith. Some of these errors we have decided to include in the present document; their substance is as follows:
  1. It is a heretical opinion, but a common one, that the sacraments of the New Law give pardoning grace to those who do not set up an obstacle.
  2. To deny that in a child after baptism sin remains is to treat with contempt both Paul and Christ.
  3. The inflammable sources of sin, even if there be no actual sin, delay a soul departing from the body from entrance into heaven.
  4. That there are three parts to penance: contrition, confession, and satisfaction, has no foundation in Sacred Scripture nor in the ancient sacred Christian doctors.
  5. Contrition, which is acquired through discussion, collection, and detestation of sins, by which one reflects upon his years in the bitterness of his soul, by pondering over the gravity of sins, their number, their baseness, the loss of eternal beatitude, and the acquisition of eternal damnation, this contrition makes him a hypocrite, indeed more a sinner.
  6. By no means may you presume to confess venial sins, nor even all mortal sins, because it is impossible that you know all mortal sins. Hence in the primitive Church only manifest mortal sins were confessed.
  7. As long as we wish to confess all sins without exception, we are doing nothing else than to wish to leave nothing to God’s mercy for pardon.
  8. Sins are not forgiven to anyone, unless when the priest forgives them he believes they are forgiven; on the contrary the sin would remain unless he believed it was forgiven; for indeed the remission of sin and the granting of grace does not suffice, but it is necessary also to believe that there has been forgiveness.
  9. If through an impossibility he who confessed was not contrite, or the priest did not absolve seriously, but in a jocose manner, if nevertheless he believes that he has been absolved, he is most truly absolved.
  10. No one ought to answer a priest that he is contrite, nor should the priest inquire.
  11. Great is the error of those who approach the sacrament of the Eucharist relying on this, that they have confessed, that they are not conscious of any mortal sin, that they have sent their prayers on ahead and made preparations; all these eat and drink judgment to themselves. But if they believe and trust that they will attain grace, then this faith alone makes them pure and worthy.
  12. Indulgences are pious frauds of the faithful, and remissions of good works; and they are among the number of those things which are allowed, and not of the number of those which are advantageous.
  13. Indulgences are of no avail to those who truly gain them, for the remission of the penalty due to actual sin in the sight of divine justice.
  14. They are seduced who believe that indulgences are salutary and useful for the fruit of the spirit.
  15. Indulgences are necessary only for public crimes, and are properly conceded only to the harsh and impatient.
  16. Christians must be taught to cherish excommunications rather than to fear them.
  17. The Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, is not the vicar of Christ over all the churches of the entire world, instituted by Christ Himself in blessed Peter.
We enjoin, however, on Martin that in the meantime he cease from all preaching or the office of preacher.

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Tom, thank you for reminding us about our behavior. For some of us, this is a safe and generally comfortable place to share our faith with others searching and wishing to learn. There is the joy of sharing with fellow Catholics of course, but also the blessing of learning to respect others and understand a little more about where they are coming from, the common ground and even the differences.

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Tom Casey,
thanks for the reminder, you are one of the best, Thank-you and all the moderators for all you do and may you have a blessed Easter.
 
I like this and I will try my very best to be respectful, but I am very angry at the fact that the Second Vatican Council has been promoted as wonderful for our Faith when in my opinion it has caused so many to be confused or to lose their faith entirely. I also, in my opinion, think that the last Pope who was free from heresy was Pope Pius X!!. Now, am I still welcome here? If not I will “shake the dust from my feet” and move on.
 
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Maybe I should post this in the Suggestion Box as a thread, but I’ll try it here first –

It seems to me that some small sampling of exemplary posts, with a variety of styles and themes, would be most helpful, in one thread - perhaps a sticky.
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Thomas_Casey said:
While we understand the desire that Catholics have to defend what they believe, we also understand that it is never permissible for anyone, especially a Catholic to be rude, condescending and judgmental. These behaviors continue to be sins, even if one is defending the faith. One cannot defend the faith with sin.

Insulting Protestantism, Judaism, Islam, Orthodoxy or any other faith is a behavior in conflict with the Magisterium. The Magisterium has not given anyone license to speak for Catholicism in any manner other than charitably and respectfully. Therefore, any form of speech that is not in keeping with the form of speech used by the Magisterium cannot be tolerated as morally upright, even if one is defending truth. How others speak about Catholics does not mitigate our moral responsibility.

Catholic Answers Forums is a Catholic apostolate, not a secularized op ed site. Everyone is expected to act, speak, and behave according to Catholic standards of decency and sobriety.

There is some leniency in some of our forums, due to the nature of the forum, NOT ON TC FORUM.

TC Forum must represent Catholic tradition and Catholic customs at its best. This includes how we speak to each other, about others and how we react to the authority of the clergy, the Holy Father and those whom the Church places above us.

Anyone who cannot express an opinion without being sarcastic, rude, crude or cynical should find another forum.

If there are any questions please do not post them here. Send them to me via PM and I will try to address them.

There will be no more tolerance for behaviors described above. In simple language, speak with the same good manners that the Church speaks.

Thomas Casey
Moderator
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This is a very good message. God bless!
 
I believe God led me to read this today so I can remember - on this or any other forum here - that I represent my Faith, not just myself. :bowdown2: Thanks!
 
Did you innocent catholics know that Hitler was Catholic? How many innocent people did he kill? No but its okay because he’s a catholic and he can go to heaven as long as he goes to confession. You guys think that god is real? Go **** your self why would Christianity be real and buddihism not? Priests aLl wank and **** nuns let’s be honest u r all dirty ducks and think about ***** all the time. What about the pope ****ing little boys? That’s not very catholic. I myself used to be a heavy believer until my local priestly father ****ed me so hard I shat sideways for a month
 
I agree 100%. I will say that I do not believe in what the Protestant religions believe in, but I will not, under any circumstance, judge nor bash another religion. It is not good Christian charity to be judgemental towards non-Catholics - we may differ in our beliefs, but we are still children of God.
 
Hi

Enjoy to read your post and i agree this place is very safe and comfortable to share views and in that place we not only share views we also get some interesting points. God is present in all things, they will see you, hear you alwaya remember this.

God Bless You 🙂
 
totally agree,glad you said this,Ive read stuff catholics post and I cant believe how they speak.

I do have a question,you say to speak of other religion is s sin even if defending our faith,so how can I inform people that for Islam ,everyone is not equal and the things about killing non believers that is in the Koran. Is informing people of this a sin?
 
Question: Would Christ’s chasing of the moneylenders out of the Temple in a not-so-polite way be considered a rules violation? Or how about St. Benedict’s destruction of the heathen idols. Just curious.
 
This, to me, is a powerful testimony. It also explains something I’ve observed in my recent exploration of Catholicism, and that is the remarkably gracious and loving demeanor of Catholic apologists. At first I thought it was just a Catholic Answers “quirk”, that you surrounded yourselves and featured as guests on your radio program only gentle-spirited and tender-hearted folk. I am used to a more heated and all too often strident behavior from, sadly, all too many of those who defend Protestantism. In fact, I was so struck by this difference that I joked to someone that I googled in vain for “angry Catholic apologists”.
The Magisterium has not given anyone license to speak for Catholicism in any manner other than charitably and respectfully. Therefore, any form of speech that is not in keeping with the form of speech used by the Magisterium cannot be tolerated as morally upright, even if one is defending truth. How others speak about Catholics does not mitigate our moral responsibility.
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This actually moved me to tears. This is how the Body of Christ should be.
 
How I deal with Bible Study

Here and there a comment will be made in regard to what Catholics believe or do not believe, as the case may be. My ears perk up when I hear these type references made. I had to make a decision early on that my time in Bible Study class was not going to be spent clarifying or defending my religion or the differences between myself and this group.

I have made it a place to offer explanation or clarification regarding statements with reference to Catholics and differing belief. It’s more constructive to offer explanation then it is to be defensive. A positive approach is far better. If there’s interest in an explanation, it will be heard. This way it’s not seen as argumentative act but rather instructive. Sometimes what is perceived is off base. Naturally.

One of the things I love about my religion and faith is that it is steeped in Faith. I only need to repeat the Apostles Creed to remind myself of my beliefs. I thank my Catholic School Education for the gift of undying faith. No matter what life brings, it’s there for me.
 
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