Zikr - prayer on the move in a Moscow mosque

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A lot of sufi mosques do dhikr/zikir in that way (mosques from all over the world). I’m an independent sufi, so I don’t take part in it.
 
I think that the Soviets would have done their best to shut down the mosque in Moscow since Islam is not compatible with communism.
 
That video is interesting. It’s highly reminiscent of a scene from Midnight Express, where prisoners are shown endlessly trudging in a circle around a stone pillar. I’d always thought it was some type of psychological torture inflicted on the prisoners under the guise of forced exercise, but after watching that BBC video, I suppose it must somehow be rooted in Islamic practice or history.
 
anon67074017 said:
I think that the Soviets would have done their best to shut down the mosque in Moscow since Islam is not compatible with communism.
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How old is the mosque? It’s been a generation since the CCCP.

In any case, although religious persecution existed, the Stalinists allowed religion a comeback during the “Great Patriotic War” on the theory that religion makes people more willing to die.

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anon67074017 said:
I think that the Soviets would have done their best to shut down the mosque in Moscow since Islam is not compatible with communism.
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Communist here. There are varying schools of thought regarding religion in the communist society, including some which allow for religious belief. What the Soviets and Stalin did in terms of religious oppression is only one of these schools, and does not represent communism as a whole.

Plus, Christian communism is actually a thing, and so it would not surprise me if there existed Islamic versions of this too.
 
IdiNaPut said:
Communist here. There are varying schools of thought regarding religion in the communist society, including some which allow for religious belief. What the Soviets and Stalin did in terms of religious oppression is only one of these schools, and does not represent communism as a whole.

Plus, Christian communism is actually a thing, and so it would not surprise me if there existed Islamic versions of this too.
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Although “Christian communism” is a thing, Soviet society espoused Communism, with a big C, which held to the Leninist teaching that “Religion is the opioid of the people.”

To be a Bolshevik or a Soviet therefore, one was required to be an atheist at least by profession.

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GEddie said:
Although “Christian communism” is a thing, Soviet society espoused Communism, with a big C, which held to the Leninist teaching that “Religion is the opioid of the people.”

To be a Bolshevik or a Soviet therefore, one was required to be an atheist at least by profession.

ICXC NIKA
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Technically (Russian here), you were required to be a atheist if you aspired to have career opportunities. Especially when you were a party member - if a party member were caught attending a religious ceremony, he(she) would be expelled from the party and become an outcast for the remainder of the life.

The authorities took measures to ensure the religion had no influence on the young generations and remained a domain of old women. It did not always work, of course.
 
GEddie said:
Although “Christian communism” is a thing, Soviet society espoused Communism, with a big C, which held to the Leninist teaching that “Religion is the opioid of the people.”

To be a Bolshevik or a Soviet therefore, one was required to be an atheist at least by profession.

ICXC NIKA
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IMO making a distinction between ‘Big C’ and ‘Little C’ communism has no basis in fact and Is merely playing word games to create a division where there is none. This is not the same as the whole Catholic/catholic debate about the Nicene Creed.

My point remains- even though Soviet society specifically abolished and suppressed religious belief, this is not representative of communism as a whole, just as the USSR does not represent either the sole or the perfect communist state.
 
IdiNaPut said:
Plus, Christian communism is actually a thing, and so it would not surprise me if there existed Islamic versions of this too.
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Now would that be related to the Liberation Theology bit i hear about every so often in religious milieus that mix Christianity with Marxist revolutionary ideas?
 
GEddie said:
How old is the mosque? It’s been a generation since the CCCP.

In any case, although religious persecution existed, the Stalinists allowed religion a comeback during the “Great Patriotic War” on the theory that religion makes people more willing to die.

ICXC NIKA
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I do not know how old the mosque is. I assume that it was constructed at least after glasnost because the Soviet authorities likely would not have allowed it to be built before then unless it was during the Great Patriotic War.
 
TheAtheist said:
Now would that be related to the Liberation Theology bit i hear about every so often in religious milieus that mix Christianity with Marxist revolutionary ideas?
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It is more, IIUC, related to monastic poverty, in which all physical goods are shared by everybody.

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Exiled_Child said:
That video is interesting. It’s highly reminiscent of a scene from Midnight Express, where prisoners are shown endlessly trudging in a circle around a stone pillar. I’d always thought it was some type of psychological torture inflicted on the prisoners under the guise of forced exercise, but after watching that BBC video, I suppose it must somehow be rooted in Islamic practice or history.
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It seems no relevant with soul of pray and worship. Islam does not approve such excess action in worship or Zikr. Prophet or Sahabas were not used to follow such comical way. Sufism is not exact in that way. Zikr should be through more calm and dignity way.
 
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