‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

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She is at it again. 😦

“the faith as it is understood by the whole church.” Huh? Enough said.
 
read the book “Catholic Sexual Ethics,” 2nd edition by May, Lawler. The scriptural evidence is in the Old and New testament.
 
All Scripture disagrees. Christ Himself taught what Marriage is. The rest is nonsense.

Nobody here is saying that same-sex attractions are sinful.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
According to this article, there is little scriptural basis for opposing same-sex marriage.

lifesitenews.com/news/renegade-nun-priest-present-a-catholic-case-for-same-sex-marriage/

Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not?

What passages, if any, in scripture would support or oppose the view of the authors?
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1 Cor 6:9-
“[9] Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [10] Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.”

I’d say it’s pretty clear. The OT is also clear, but every time I reference that some person who doesn’t understand the old law at all starts railing about slavery and rape. I honestly have no idea why people keep trying to make homosexual activity ok according to Christianity. It’s not.
 
It is SIN! There is no proof otherwise! God has said on numerous occasions, that homosexuality is EVIL! Let me lay down some scripture:

Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a
male as one lies with a female; it is
an abomination.”

Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who
lies with a male as those who lie
with a woman, both of them have
committed a detestable act; they
shall surely be put to death. Their
blood shall be upon them”

1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know
that the unrighteous shall not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not
be deceived; neither fornicators,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor
thieves, nor the covetous, nor
drunkards, nor revilers, nor
swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom
of God.”

Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God
gave them over to degrading
passions; for their women
exchanged the natural function for
that which is unnatural, 27and in
the same way also the men
abandoned the natural function of
the woman and burned in their
desire toward one another, men
with men committing indecent acts
and receiving in their own persons
the due penalty of their error.
28And just as they did not see fit to
acknowledge God any longer, God
gave them over to a depraved mind,
to do those things which are not
proper.”

NO ONE IS BORN GAY! Everyone has that choice to become gay. No one…is born that way. Many shall claim it to be so, yet those who actually read God’s word, will know the truth.
 
nemorancy said:
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NO ONE IS BORN GAY! Everyone has that choice to become gay. No one…is born that way.
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Rubbish.

Could you choose to become homosexual? You could wilfully act in such a way but it would not be something you would be comfortable with and you would not perceive any sexual attraction to persons of your own gender.
 
Iron Donkey

**I honestly have no idea why people keep trying to make homosexual activity ok according to Christianity. It’s not. **

The wish is father (or mother) to the lie.

St. Paul speaks in several epistles, as noted above, about sodomy. Since sodomy would be essential to a same-sex marriage if it is to be consummated, it is difficult to see how any real Catholic can defend both sodomy and same-sex marriage. Yet some do so in a grandstanding way. Perhaps they too are looking for their 15 minutes of fame (or infamy)?

:confused:

Jude: 5-7
“I wish to remind you, although you know all things, that [the] Lord who once saved a people from the land of Egypt later destroyed those who did not believe. The angels too, who did not keep to their own domain but deserted their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains, in gloom, for the judgment of the great day. Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.”
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Iron Donkey
**I honestly have no idea why people keep trying to make homosexual activity ok according to Christianity. It’s not. **
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Homosexuality is OK, it’s just that some christians and non-christians insist on denying them equal rights in society and proclaiming it is somehow wrong - sexuality is not a choice it is genetic and normal
 
Methinks ‘Same sex marriage’ is being so rabidly promoted by those with much money funneling into such organizations as the ZPG’ers (Zero Population Growth) to stop ‘overpopulation.’

UGH!
 
DexUK said:
Rubbish.

Could you choose to become homosexual? You could wilfully act in such a way but it would not be something you would be comfortable with and you would not perceive any sexual attraction to persons of your own gender.
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I think that the doctrine of original sin, which says we are born with a sinful nature, indicates that a person could be born with homosexual attractions but acting on them still be sinful. Scripture, tradition, and the Magisterium are clear that homosexual activity is a sin. And that position can not change. No matter how “progressive” our world becomes.
 
Nimzovik said:
Methinks ‘Same sex marriage’ is being so rabidly promoted by those with much money funneling into such organizations as the ZPG’ers (Zero Population Growth) to stop ‘overpopulation.’

UGH!
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It is not being ‘promoted’ more than ‘heterosexual marriage’ - Marriage is still popular with all the sexes. 🙂
 
Steveabrous said:
I think that the doctrine of original sin, which says we are born with a sinful nature, indicates that a person could be born with homosexual attractions but acting on them still be sinful. Scripture, tradition, and the Magisterium are clear that homosexual activity is a sin. And that position can not change. No matter how “progressive” our world becomes.
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Homosexuality is no more a sin that heterosexuality - it depends on one’s viewpoint - but to go as far as some on this forum to ‘declare’ it abnormal or against god is verging on if not is bigotry
 
aprilfloyd said:
Homosexuality is OK, it’s just that some christians and non-christians insist on denying them equal rights in society and proclaiming it is somehow wrong - sexuality is not a choice it is genetic and normal
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Sexual orientation may or may not be a choice, but acting on it is. By your logic, one might say that cancer is genetic and normal too, as it occurs naturally and without human intervention.

Homosexuals receive every right that heterosexuals do: To marry appropriately, with someone of the opposite sex, and thus ensure that they are not damaging themselves or any others by way of unnatural unions and aberrant acts.

Your statement is comparable to asking for the right to murder, or steal, or lie in court; these things aren’t rights at all, and neither is homosexual “marriage”. It is disordered and unnatural.
 
aprilfloyd said:
Homosexuality is no more a sin that heterosexuality - it depends on one’s viewpoint - but to go as far as some on this forum to ‘declare’ it abnormal or against god is verging on if not is bigotry
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Sex (whether homosexual or heterosexual) outside of Marriage is a sin. And marriage is between a man and a woman. So says the church, the bible, and sacred tradition. This matter has already been determined. It comes from God. And he and he alone decides what is sin and what is not. He lets us know what is sin through the church he established, which is the Catholic church. If you don’t believe that then you are at the wrong forum.
 
aprilfloyd said:
Homosexuality is no more a sin that heterosexuality - it depends on one’s viewpoint - but to go as far as some on this forum to ‘declare’ it abnormal or against god is verging on if not is bigotry
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“he made them male and female” and said to them 'be fruitful and multiply"

to say "]Homosexuality is no more a sin that heterosexuality - it depends on one’s viewpoint’

is to be gravely mistaken.
 
April

** but to go as far as some on this forum to ‘declare’ it abnormal or against god is verging on if not is bigotry **

Did you know that the God of Christianity is a proper noun and therefore should be capitalized? 😉
 
Steveabrous said:
Sex (whether homosexual or heterosexual) outside of Marriage is a sin. And marriage is between a man and a woman. So says the church, the bible, and sacred tradition. This matter has already been determined. It comes from God. And he and he alone decides what is sin and what is not. He lets us know what is sin through the church he established, which is the Catholic church. If you don’t believe that then you are at the wrong forum.
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I was raised catholic and may see a lot of what it promoted as wrong or disagree with it, but I never saw it as a church that did not encourage debate or the seeking of truth. I am just looking for answers and conversation about the most basic questions humans ask. If I was born in a different country or to a different family, I may be in a hindu, or jewish forum. But as it stands my search for truth is always going to be rooted in Catholicism and in that respect I consider myself to be in the ‘right’ forum.

You may believe that the Catholic representation of god determines sin, but you must concede that that is debatable and is a matter of opinion. In the UK gay marriage is to become legal and in my opinion not sinful. It would be interesting to see some proof of what you propose
 
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