‘A Catholic case for same-sex marriage’

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jerome_ky said:
Do you think someone who joined 2 weeks ago and has posted on this one thread about 80 times might have an agenda? I believe the internet term is “troll.”
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I’m not a troll, I’m just someone who disagrees with the Catholic view on same-sex marriage and homosexuality.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
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Do you think someone who joined 2 weeks ago and has posted on this one thread about 80 times might have an agenda? I believe the internet term is “troll.” **

Kingdom is supposed to be an Anglican. I have been trying to find out from him if the Anglican Church teaches that sodomy is o.k. He doesn’t seem to know, since he has yet to answer my question.

If that Church is o.k. with sodomy, then you could see why it is o.k. with same-sex marriage, if it really is. In any case, Kingdom doesn’t give us a clue as to why we should abandon St. Paul in favor of Kingdom.
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As I have stated many times there is no such thing as the Anglican Church.

I have answered your question at least twice now. As I have said many times the Church of England has a number of differing views on what you would call ‘sodomy’. The church of England, (not this made up Anglican church), believes that sodomy is wrong. The Church of England, on the whole, does not believe homosexuality is sodomy because it isn’t. However opinions vary-it’s a big church and you don’t have to follow the majority opinion.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
As I have stated many times there is no such thing as the Anglican Church.
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Then why identify as “Anglican”?
TheKingdomOfGod said:
I have answered your question at least twice now. As I have said many times the Church of England has a number of differing views on what you would call ‘sodomy’. The church of England, (not this made up Anglican church), believes that sodomy is wrong. The Church of England, on the whole, does not believe homosexuality is sodomy because it isn’t. However opinions vary-it’s a big church and you don’t have to follow the majority opinion.
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Quibble quibble. So, what do “Anglicans” (who are somehow not part of the Church of England under the Queen) believe regarding homosexual behavior, why do they believe so, and what authority leads them to accept that belief? You have self-identified as “Anglican”, so this should be an easy question to answer.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
As I have stated many times there is no such thing as the Anglican Church.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Communion

You could have simply told us about the Anglican Communion.

In any event, it sounds as though the Anglican Communion is as fractured and unable to come to single consensus as any other Protestant denomination. Must feel like being in a home where any of the children can make the rules.
I have answered your question at least twice now. As I have said many times the Church of England has a number of differing views on what you would call ‘sodomy’. The church of England, (not this made up Anglican church), believes that sodomy is wrong.
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Then define what you see as “sodomy”, so that we actually have an idea of where you’re coming from. The standard definition, as defined by Wikipedia, is: “Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal.”
The Church of England, on the whole, does not believe homosexuality is sodomy because it isn’t.
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According to the description above, it is sodomy. What else would homosexual sex be?

And, you might as well say “The Tooth Fairy is real, because she is.” That is what your statement sounds like.
However opinions vary-it’s a big church and you don’t have to follow the majority opinion.
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In other words, if you don’t like the rules, chuck them out of the window.

Even Jesus was a good and faithful Jew. He didn’t buck the rules, he completed them.
 
I saw this thread not long after it was created but never gave it much thought since the premise is so nonsensical, but I have to wonder what goes through peoples’ minds to account for the 300+ posts that have been made. If the topic was perpetual motion machines or exceeding the speed of light I might accept the reasonableness of a variety of opinions but believing there is a Catholic case for same-sex marriage is to believe the unbelievable. To assume otherwise is to labor under the premise that words have no particular meaning.

I once attended a debate where a professor argued that the Catholic Church actually supported homosexual behavior. I think he was being facetious but the professor who responded to him gave the only sensible rebuttal: that’s nonsense. So is the premise of this thread.

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TheKingdomOfGod said:
Depends on your definition/what particular thing of sodomy you are talking about.

Since homosexual relations are not ‘sodomy’, they can be ordained by God, as can marriage between same sex couples.
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TheKingdomOfGod said:
Because it is not unnatural.
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Sodomy is any sex act that is not sexual intercourse. It has nothing to do with how common it is.

Natural sex would be sex as designed by our nature/biology, Sodomy is not natural.

All homosexual sex is sodomy.
 
aprilfloyd said:
Of course, I disagree, Homosexuality is not wrong. Blind Catholicism is also wrong. If you see an injustice or a prejudicial teaching. You need to stand up and be counted. Otherwise you are siding with a bully.

All I can say is that I was raised a catholic, but can’t see why it should be bigoted to other normal people. If that means, in the eyes of others, I am not a catholic then so be it.
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i wonder how you would answer to a person who said i was born a homosexual; but now im old enough to know better i know it is wrong? and i dont believe in it.

or ask your self this i was raised in a relationship y two homosexuals(practicing) and i dont believe in it?

would you call him a bigot?

or some thing else i wonder.
 
Monkey1976 said:
Then why identify as “Anglican”?

Because that’s an alternative way of saying it.

Quibble quibble. So, what do “Anglicans” (who are somehow not part of the Church of England under the Queen) believe regarding homosexual behavior, why do they believe so, and what authority leads them to accept that belief? You have self-identified as “Anglican”, so this should be an easy question to answer.
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The Anglican Communion is lots of different churches who traditionally are rooted to the Church of England. I am a member of the Church of England, and thus an Anglican.

As I said before because the Anglican Communion and the Church of England are literally, a broad church views vary-we do not all answer to a single person like in the Catholic church. Anglo-Catholics may argue that homosexuality is unnatural, but others such as myself argue that it is natural and there’s nothing wrong with it.
 
Lochias said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Communion

You could have simply told us about the Anglican Communion.

In any event, it sounds as though the Anglican Communion is as fractured and unable to come to single consensus as any other Protestant denomination. Must feel like being in a home where any of the children can make the rules.

Please don’t be insulting to my Church. We believe in democracy.

Then define what you see as “sodomy”, so that we actually have an idea of where you’re coming from. The standard definition, as defined by Wikipedia, is: "Sodomy (/ˈsɒdəmi/) is any non-penile/vaginal copulation-like act, such as oral or anal sex, or sex between a person and an animal."

I’d define sodomy as unnatural sex. Granted, a more modern definition than its historical counterpart.

According to the description above, it is sodomy. What else would homosexual sex be?

I would say homosexual sex is not sodomy.

And, you might as well say “The Tooth Fairy is real, because she is.” That is what your statement sounds like.

I’m sorry if it sounds that way to you. I think I’ve set out a number of arguments here.

In other words, if you don’t like the rules, chuck them out of the window.

No, but I do acknowledge that some of the rules were written a long time ago and could be wrong. I can’t follow a rule if I think it is unacceptable to do so in the eyes of God. My innate morality tells me that homosexuality is natural and fine.

Even Jesus was a good and faithful Jew. He didn’t buck the rules, he completed them.

I know, and I know it seems like I’m bucking the rules, but I don’t feel like I am-I feel like I’m following the most important ones.
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TheKingdomOfGod said:
Well we’ll have to agree to disagree. Clearly I’m in the minority here.
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You are wrong here. I have a wife and we have three children. I LOVE them all but I’m only married to one. Marriage is more than just love. That is why states forbid marrying children, close relatives, and same sex unions.
 
TheKingdomOfGod said:
The Anglican Communion is lots of different churches who traditionally are rooted to the Church of England. I am a member of the Church of England, and thus an Anglican.

Okay…👍
As I said before because the Anglican Communion and the Church of England are literally, a broad church views vary-we do not all answer to a single person like in the Catholic church.
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