‘Callous, cold-hearted’: Pope’s commissioner says George Pell has to go

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_Abyssinia said:
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Excellent report. The bottom line in his message, is that Pope Francis does not pander to this method of lobbying through the media, and there is no proven evidence against Cardinal Pell.

I believe it would be good at this point for those who are ready with the gavel to consider Our Lord’s words to St. Catherine of Siena, Doctor of the Church…
For this reason, no one has excuse to say, “I am doing no harm, nor am I rebelling against holy Church. I am simply acting against the sins of evil pastors.” Such persons are deluded, blinded as they are by their own selfishness. To me redounds every assault they make on my ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to me. For I have said, and I say it again: No one is to touch my christs. It is my right to punish them, and no one else’s.
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Therefore, I will tell you, if all the other sins these people have committed were put on one side and the one sin on the other, this one would weigh more in my sight than all the others.
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I have a problem with private revelations that doesn’t align hermeneutically with scrpiture. Jesus mentioning the priest ( seven woes to scribes and pharisees Matt 23:1-33) of his time, cleansing of the temple, warnings on false shepards, St. Paul warnings on false shepards, etc. Matt
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/maryd8.htm

Australian Catholics humiliated by the sins of the Fathers
03 June 2015 by Fr Peter Day

…And while we should acknowledge that dramatic changes are taking place, we must also acknowledge that too many of our shepherds have acted like the “hired men” in John’s Gospel “who abandon the sheep when they see a wolf coming … leaving the wolves to attack and scatter the sheep.” (Jn 10: 12)

Underpinning this “hired men” culture is a clericalism in which men feel set apart, pursuing the trappings of power and prestige – acting like corporate CEOs hell-bent on protecting the company brand instead of, like shepherds, being willing to lay down their lives (and their reputations) for their sheep…
 
Abynissa said:
I have a problem with private revelations that doesn’t align hermeneutically with scrpiture. Jesus mentioning the priest ( seven woes to scribes and pharisees Matt 23:1-33) of his time, cleansing of the temple, warnings on false shepards, St. Paul warnings on false shepards, etc. Matt
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Were you addressing this to my post that preceded yours? :confused:
 
The way I see the record, as an Australian, is that Cardinal Pell is a conservative Catholic church man, who may well have made some misjudgements about the actions of at least one paedophile during his time as Bishop of Ballarat.

However he himself has never been involved in paedophilia, and did not move Ridsdale around (someone else did, presumably without Pell’s knowledge). As to going to court with Ridsdale, we don’t know his motives, or whether he was asked to do so by Ridsdale or by someone else.

I think Peter Saunders has shot his mouth off, and should be removed from the Vatican Commission, since he hasn’t learnt the basic lesson that official membership of such a commission calls for a certain amount of restraint, until legal proceedings have been finalised, regardless of his personal feelings or bias.

As for the ABC (Austalian Broadcasting Commission), it’s a left leaning organisation, and the church is fair game at any time. It’s quite prepared to distort or omit evidence whenever it suits it, to back up its own policy or viewpoint.

I don’t trust it. About the only things I watch on the ABC are the occasional movie or entertainment eg. the “Father Brown” series, which is on at the present time.

Having said all that, I think Cardinal Pell may find himself shuffled sideways in the not too distant future.
 
I made the following quote in my post above.
As for the ABC (Austalian Broadcasting Commission), it’s a left leaning organisation, and the church is fair game at any time. It’s quite prepared to distort or omit evidence whenever it suits it, to back up its own policy or viewpoint.
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To demonstrate what I mean, note the following link, which is an opinion posed on “The Drum”, an ABC show piece. It’s only a day old, so it is certainly current.

abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/sparrow-scripture-lessons-by-stealth/6525006

Mike Baird is the NSW premier. Who Jeff Sparrow is, I’ve no idea.

But you’ll notice the whole article is about not preaching religion in schools. What Sparrow wants is nothing more than religion presented as a history lesson, when it’s all said and done.

Notice his opening words -
There’s nothing wrong with religious education, but it shouldn’t come from believers who want to save your kid’s soul.
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Apparently Mr. Sparrow believes kid’s souls are not worth saving. If he and his ilk have their way, we’ll all face God’s condemnation.
 
Abynissa said:
I have a problem with private revelations that doesn’t align hermeneutically with scripture.
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I asked if you directed this comment to my post about St. Catherine of Siena, but I have not seen a reply. Your link does not pertain in any way to what I shared, since Father Most is speaking about speculative revelations that have no Church sanctions. As a Carmelite, I have studied these writings for 35 years and am very familiar with what they wrote. Your comment fails to consider that when the Church raises a saint to the distinction of “Doctor of the Church,” it is specifically because their writings have the eminent quality of teaching the faithful and are found to be without error. In the entire history of the Church, there are only 35 with this distinction.

I quoted from St. Catherine’s The Dialogue, her foremost and distinctive writing, wherein she elaborated on Christ’s words in a lengthy chapter beyond the very few words I cited. She was raised to mystical marriage and bore the stigmata invisibly. She is no fly-by-night would-be mystic whose revelations are of a dubious nature, such as those Father Most was addressing. Yes, I agree that her words are not required belief, but let me put it more succinctly.

The warning to refrain from critiquing clergy is also scriptural and catechetical, not merely St. Catherine’s experience. Let me know if you need the references. 😉
 
Last Wednesday’s evening prayer, LOTH, might well be said for Cardinal Pell, against Mr. Saunders:

Psalm 27
When evil-doers draw near to devour my flesh,
It is they, my enemies and foes, who stumble and fall.

And now my head shall be raised above my foes who surround me,
and I shall offer within his tent a sacrifice of joy!

AMEN! I look for Saunders to be removed from office.
 
Whoa folks! Be careful to notice the spelling of the user-name. I just realized that I mistook “Abynissa’s” strange post as a reply from _Abyssinia, since they posted close to one another in this thread, and it confused me, because I knew the latter was not against Cardinal Pell.
 
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