‘It Is Not a Closet. It Is a Cage.’ Gay Catholic Priests Speak Out

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vz71 said:
Looks to me like they think marriage will cure sexual deviancy.
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Cure? No. Make it less likely? Perhaps.

Deviancy will never be zero in any population group. Is it less likely in some groups?

At the very least, this question deserves analysis.
 
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Exactly how?
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See post #138:
goout said:
Comparing to what we now have.
A married priest is statistically more likely to have a well ordered sexual life.

It’s not that celibacy is a problem, per se. But the combination of factors currently gives us what we have.
We have a problem here, and it’s predominately male on male.
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I do want to comment on the male-on-male bit though. The John Jay report shows that in 80% of cases this was indeed the case.

I don’t think though, that we should ignore the other 20%. We heard testimony last week from an African woman who was regularly abused and repeatedly impregnated by her priest starting at age 13. If my memory is correct, she was impregnated-and aborted-3 times.

Thus the Jay report may be under-reporting the number of victims. In the case of the African victim, we in fact have four victims of the abusive priest: the girl, the rape victim, and three murder victims.

I’m sure that in the cases of opposite-sex abuse, there are many such victims not counted in the tally. I believe the pope himself admitted that nuns were abused by priests-and aborted- as well.

Thus focussing only on male-on-male victims is insufficient. Some of the victims of male-on-female abuse were in fact aborted foetuses: in short, murder victims, and murder is as heinous a crime as it gets. That other 20% may thus be masking even more severe crimes. Just a thought…
 
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A married priest is statistically more likely to have a well ordered sexual life.
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I’m still waiting for a definition of "well ordered sexual life. The phrase came up earlier in the thread and I inquired about it then. Could you elaborate please?
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You seriously need an explanation for this?
 
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OraLabora said:
We heard testimony last week from an African woman who was regularly abused and repeatedly impregnated by her priest starting at age 13. If my memory is correct, she was impregnated-and aborted-3 times.
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And you believe if he were married this wouldn’t happen?
 
Only because the ratio would be bigger in number. It doesn’t actually get rid of the problem.
 
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Do the math.
Currently we have a “system”, for lack of a better word, that seems to promote abusive acting out of sexual desire.
Ok.
Married folk, per se, are engaging in at least materially well ordered sex.
Yes, some will be abusers. Of course this doesn’t cure abuse. No one claimed it cures abuse. But you have a new predominantly healthy pool of men entering the priesthood.

Don’t resort to exceptions to disprove a norm. That doesn’t make sense.
And my God, the Church needs to do some things that just make plain sense.
 
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Perhaps you should elaborate more on your position.
Sounds to me like you want to reduce abuse by introducing marriage. Which seems to me an abuse in itself.
 
vz71 said:
Perhaps you should elaborate more on your position.
Sounds to me like you want to reduce abuse by introducing marriage. Which seems to me an abuse in itself.
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You are making no sense. We are talking about ordaining men who are married just like we ordain deacons who are married, and just as Eastern Churches in communion with Rome, already allow married priests, not forcing women to marry priests to prevent abuse. 🤷‍♂️

Nor are we talking about only ordaining married men.
 
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