‘Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

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question was answered in later post. i didn’t read down far enough.
 
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Boatswain2PA said:
Slight correction.

Muslim shooter…how Islam terrorists are at war with America.
Non-muslim shooter - we almost always find out the murderer was a prohibited person anyway.
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Is that really the case (almost always a prohibited person)? I can’t remember another case that it was a prohibited person. I don’t think Dylan Roof was. I don’t think the Planned Parenthood fellow was. I don’t think the Las Vegas shooter was. I don’t think the Oregon community college shooter was. Am I wrong?

And that said, how did this person get the weapon if he is prohibited? That is a really big question.
 
Be serious. You don’t really think the American people will stand for this, do you?
 
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lmachine said:
Take them away, obviously.
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Yup, take them all away, works every time, right?

Like it did here:


…whoops, that didn’t end well, 13 million people killed by their own government.

Or like it did when the Soviet Union implemented gun control in 1929…whoops, that didn’t end well, 20 MILLION people were killed by their government.

How about when China implemented firm gun control in 1935? How did that work out?? Whoops…there went another 20 million people killed by their government.

Careful what you wish for. Just like I’m the guy who you would want sitting next to you in mass if something like this happened, I’m also the guy you would want armed if the jack-thugs came to your door rounding up Catholics.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
I am the guy who you would WANT sitting next to your family if something like this happens. I, and many of my brothers, would be the ones running TOWARD the gunfire…I would like to be able to be armed when confronting such evil.
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Eh, honestly, if I didn’t know you, there is a good chance I would attack you if I saw you pulling out a weapon. I don’t know why you would think that is the haze of gunfire, people are going to instantly know the good guys from the bad guys.
 
Yes, they absolutely will. Ban them, institute a grace period to surrender any banned guns, and then harsh sentencing for anyone in possession of illegal guns. Very simple and works across rest of the developed world.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
Careful what you wish for. Just like I’m the guy who you would want sitting next to you in mass if something like this happened, I’m also the guy you would want armed if the jack-thugs came to your door rounding up Catholics.
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I keep hearing how easy it is for criminals to get guns. In your hypothetical situation you would be a criminal and it would therefore be easy to get guns so I’m not sure what you’re worried about.

Also please don’t sit next to my family at mass if you have a gun.
 
It is always the ‘developed’ world? Why? And what exactly does this mean? It really means Western Europe, Australia and Canada. Brazil and South America are developed countries with terrible violent crime. There are lots of guns in both countries and they are often used to hurt or kill.

Also we’ll see how long this relative peace lasts in these ‘developed’ countries. Politicians are doing their best to change the fundamental nature of them. I think already many might wish they had guns like Americans do.
 
lmachine said:
Yes, they absolutely will. Ban them, institute a grace period to surrender any banned guns, and then harsh sentencing for anyone in possession of illegal guns. Very simple and works across rest of the developed world.
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it worked so well with drugs.

it also worked in australia, except it didn’t. only 20 percent of guns were turned in. was this what they expected?

they had a recent amnesty to try and get 250,000 guns off the street but again only got roughly 20% turned in.

if it didn’t work there why do you think it will work here?
 
lmachine said:
Yes, they absolutely will. Ban them, institute a grace period to surrender any banned guns, and then harsh sentencing for anyone in possession of illegal guns. Very simple and works across rest of the developed world.
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That’s not gonna happen. I can’t imagine why anybody who thinks himself a serious person would even bother proposing it.
 
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Not to interrupt the bull session with the topic, but I was reading that this seems to be an extension of a domestic disturbance. The connection between the killer and his victims was that it was his mother-in-law’s church, whom he was feuding with.
 
Yes. I can’t imagine the hate in someone’s heart to kill so many innocent people over a family dispute.
 
Don’t think it is a gun control issue nor a mental health issue. It is a spiritual issue in a culture that glorifies violence they feeds on fear, resentment, anger and lack of empathy.
 
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I mostly agree. All killers can’t be explained as having mental illness. Good old fashioned evil can explain a lot. I agree our culture is fairly diseased and harmful to our souls.
 
Jig_Saw said:
Eh, honestly, if I didn’t know you, there is a good chance I would attack you if I saw you pulling out a weapon. I don’t know why you would think that is the haze of gunfire, people are going to instantly know the good guys from the bad guys.
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Good point, which is what tactical firearm training is about - training to block out the chaos, identify correct targets, ignore the incoming rounds, use of cover & concealment.

There is no perfect answer. Flight 92 had an air Marshall on board…but there was a terrorist sitting right behind him who likely took him out.

Tactics, weapons, and willingness help, but they are not a panacea.
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Also please don’t sit next to my family at mass if you have a gun.
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Unless a bad guy comes in and starts shooting your direction, then you would probably change your mind.
 
exnihilo said:
Not all religions promote love and forgiveness. Christianity isn’t really close to most other religions. It is substantially different.
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All major religions promote love and forgiveness. How can we promote such in society?
 
I don’t think they do. They definitely don’t promote it towards everyone including people outside their religious group. Christianity really is something unique.
 
Well I’ve talked to Jewish people, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus, and they all have doctrinal support for mercy and forgiveness.

What can we do to support forgiveness in our society?
 
Ok these are the arguments every time there is a mass shootings. But the point is nothing is ever done about it and this continues more frequently than ever before. Yes I remember the Sandy Hooking shooting and that could have been prevented if his mother had her guns properly secured knowing her son was mentally I’ll. Now we have a shooter who was angry with his in laws and that was his mother-in-law laws Church. He had served a year in prison for beating up his wife and child. He was violent with obvious mental illness. How did he get his hands on that many weapons? He lied in his background check and nobody bothered to check. These things don’t happen in Canada. It takes weeks to get a proper background check here. The point is, it is happening too much in the U.S. and it is happening more often. I know about your second amendment and the right to bear arms. I’m not saying to take guns away from law abiding citizens but how many guns does one person need? The Los Vegas shooter was a law abiding citizens. Why did he need that many weapons? It just does not make sense!!! I don’t know what the answer is but something definitely needs to be done!! Too many innocent people are dying. Some of those people were children. The youngest who died was 5 years old and there is a 6 year old boy who was shot six times!! I don’t know how he’s doing. I hope they can save him. It bothers me and I don’t think I will ever get used to it.
 
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