“Know them by their fruit”

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John7 said:
oh you poor dear, truth hurts
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And bearing false witness is a mortal sin.
Not all episcopalians are gay, and many are not even pro-gay.
But sure, it feels great to ridicule people doesn’t it?
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

The question is phrased in such a way that the CC cannot avoid looking good, & preening itself on its virtuousness :eek: This is manifestly self-serving, & people who behave in this way tend to be rather short of friends. A far fairer test would be to include sins which have been committed, or hushed up, or defended, by Catholics, whether others have done so, or not.​

Besides, there is much more to other Churches than their sins. The thread is slanted.
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Jimmy B starting a self serving slanted thread? Noooooooooooooooooo never. :rolleyes: 😛
 
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What is the option for the rank and file member? If you do not support the actions of your denomination’s highest level, what can you do?

If you leave, you are allowing them to dictate the stance that the church takes. If you stay, you are granting at least tacit consent to their actions.
 
ralphinal said:
This leads me to a question.

What is the option for the rank and file member? If you do not support the actions of your denomination’s highest level, what can you do?

If you leave, you are allowing them to dictate the stance that the church takes. If you stay, you are granting at least tacit concent to their actions.
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True, within the Anglican communion many people aren’t sure. But the formation of the New Anglican Province of North America (or whatever its called) is a good sign, the breakaway groups are uniting.

But many other denominations place far more power to the congregation to the extent that for example the United Church of Christ, where the denomination is pro choice, but many congregations aren’t.
 
grampben said:
True, within the Anglican communion many people aren’t sure. But the formation of the New Anglican Province of North America (or whatever its called) is a good sign, the breakaway groups are uniting.

But many other denominations place far more power to the congregation to the extent that for example the United Church of Christ, where the denomination is pro choice, but many congregations aren’t.
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If one looks at Protestantism through the eyes of history, it seems like the answer is to break away and found a new denomination, or band together with others to do so.

I know of baptist churches that split over keeping a preacher. Isn’t a matter of faith or morals more important?
 
ralphinal said:
If one looks at Protestantism through the eyes of history, it seems like the answer is to break away and found a new denomination, or band together with others to do so.

I know of baptist churches that split over keeping a preacher. Isn’t a matter of faith or morals more important?
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Well as I’ve said on another thread, I don’t see ‘protestants’ as one group.
As I see it, it’s because we have the belief in the invisible church, and that the christian community can disagree with each other but still all be christians. Things like the ‘matters of indifference’ between Luther and Calvin during the reformation times.
Baptists are different from the rest though, the anabaptist movement and the radical reformation in general did things very differently to the mainline reformers.

You’re depiction of protestantism isn’t necessarily true, but I see where you’re coming from. The other thing is, Baptists are congregational in polity, so a church splitting there isn’t near as serious as a church splitting from the Anglican Communion for example.
 
Who are the Protestant, non- Catholic, Christian Denominations who do not reject the following?

  1. *]Abortion
    *]Euthanasia
    *]Embryonic Stem Cell Research
    *]Human Cloning
    *]Homosexual “Marriage”
    What are their names?
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  1. **

    Hello everyone,

    Aren’t different denominational beliefs, like the five listed here, a matter of public record?

    This should be an easy one to answer, shouldn’t it?

    If you could, would someone please provide a detailed answer to the above question. I would really like to know.

    Thanks

    Peace **
 
grampben said:
Well as I’ve said on another thread, I don’t see ‘protestants’ as one group.
As I see it, it’s because we have the belief in the invisible church, and that the christian community can disagree with each other but still all be christians. Things like the ‘matters of indifference’ between Luther and Calvin during the reformation times.
Baptists are different from the rest though, the anabaptist movement and the radical reformation in general did things very differently to the mainline reformers.

You’re depiction of protestantism isn’t necessarily true, but I see where you’re coming from. The other thing is, Baptists are congregational in polity, so a church splitting there isn’t near as serious as a church splitting from the Anglican Communion for example.
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In this case, I was not saying that all Protestants are the same, I am saying that there is a history of breaking away when there are disagreements over important matters. SOmetimes, unimportant ones.

I do see what you are saying, though.

Would it bother you if the head of your denomination took a stance that you did not agree with? By that action, does it not imply that they are speaking for the whole group?
 
ralphinal said:
In this case, I was not saying that all Protestants are the same, I am saying that there is a history of breaking away when there are disagreements over important matters. SOmetimes, unimportant ones.

I do see what you are saying, though.

Would it bother you if the head of your denomination took a stance that you did not agree with? By that action, does it not imply that they are speaking for the whole group?
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My current denomination is the presbyterian church, which doesn’t have a hierarchy or centralised authority really. The power is in the presbyteries. If the moderator of the general assembly said something I’d disagree with, I’d disagree. But the moderator is only there for a year.
 
grampben said:
My current denomination is the presbyterian church, which doesn’t have a hierarchy or centralised authority really. The power is in the presbyteries. If the moderator of the general assembly said something I’d disagree with, I’d disagree. But the moderator is only there for a year.
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Fair enough. Does the Presbyterian church have a stance on these things? I know that there are more than one group of them, so just yours or any that you know of.
 
ralphinal said:
Fair enough. Does the Presbyterian church have a stance on these things? I know that there are more than one group of them, so just yours or any that you know of.
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Well I’m Presbyterian Church of Ireland, which is conservative by global standards.I’m thinking of leaving the Presbyterians anyway lol. Presbyterian Church USA perhaps are more pro gay (not sure about gay marriage though). I would say the best thing to do is look up the site of whatever denomination you’re thinking of.
This might help:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion
 
grampben said:
My current denomination is the presbyterian church, which doesn’t have a hierarchy or centralised authority really. The power is in the presbyteries. If the moderator of the general assembly said something I’d disagree with, I’d disagree. But the moderator is only there for a year.
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Hello gramben, how are you? Well, I hope.

You wrote -

“the presbyterian church, which doesn’t have a hierarchy or centralised authority really.”

What does this mean exactly?

You also wrote -

“But the moderator is only there for a year.”

Who decides how long the “moderator” stays and what is a “moderator”? This is a new term for me.

Thank you, God bless.

Peace,

Jimmy
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello gramben, how are you? Well, I hope.

You wrote -

“the presbyterian church, which doesn’t have a hierarchy or centralised authority really.”

What does this mean exactly?

You also wrote -

“But the moderator is only there for a year.”

Who decides how long the “moderator” stays and what is a “moderator”? This is a new term for me.

Thank you, God bless.

Peace,

Jimmy
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Well the organisation, or polity as its known in theological terms, is ‘presbyterian’. Instead of trying to explain this, here’s a wikipedia article on it.

The General Assembly, are the governing body of the whole denomination and elect a moderator, not as ‘head of the church’ (which is seen as Christ’s role) but as a public representative for the denomination.

Hope this helps!

Hope all’s well with you Jimmy!
 
Jimmy_B said:
ralphinal;4663704:
Which direction are you headed?
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Probably anglican. While I have no time for the US Episcopal Church, I agree with lots of anglican thought, and I like the idea of a reformed theology with more catholic elements. I suppose the real reason is liturgy, I love the book of common prayer!
It’s a journey though, one full of prayer and discernment.
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grampben said:
Jimmy B;4663685:
Probably anglican. While I have no time for the US Episcopal Church, I agree with lots of anglican thought, and I like the idea of a reformed theology with more catholic elements. I suppose the real reason is liturgy, I love the book of common prayer!
It’s a journey though, one full of prayer and discernment.
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I wish you well on your journey to Christ.
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