“Once Saved Always Saved” #3

[elvisman]

Asking questions is not assaulting. It is…an area of interest that I have some background in…if that will suffice.
Like James White, Ken Hovind and others whose credentials cause an upturned eye, UA degrees have a way of doing that. Now, I know some reputable UA schools but I am really just trying to learn more.
As far as your colors, I do not wish to assault them. I apologize to them if they felt that way.

RD** –**
Stick to the topic. This is a thread about OSAS. You are REALLY grasping at straws here.

**Who *CARES *what somebody’s educational background is or whether or not their school was accredited or what colors they use in a response?? It has no bearing on the conversation as it pertains to truth. **

**Truth never needs a degree. As far as I know St. Peter was a Fisherman – NOT a Letterman . . .

 

[Rightlydivide]

RD** –**
Stick to the topic. This is a thread about OSAS. You are REALLY grasping at straws here.

**Who *CARES ***what somebody’s educational background is or whether or not their school was accredited or what colors they use in a response?? It has no bearing on the conversation as it pertains to truth.

**Truth *never ***needs a degree. As far as I know St. Peter was a Fisherman – NOT a Letterman . . .

Well, the federal government does, potential employers do, schools that require accreditation for transfer care as well, many state governments, so essentially it is very important.
I have discovered if I squint, it causes less problems for me. I also cannot read the reply because it has so many different boxes and lines. I have to scroll down and then I lose my place. I also think it is pretentious but that is just a personal bias.
I am tolerant however and I expect you to put up with my griping if you use colors. If you use colors, I retain my right to gripe about it. I do not see how you can expect me not to. There are no rules against complaining about annoying fonts or colors. I checked.

 

[elvisman]

Well, the federal government does, potential employers do, schools that require accreditation for transfer care as well, many state governments, so essentially it is very important.
I have discovered if I squint, it causes less problems for me. I also cannot read the reply because it has so many different boxes and lines. I have to scroll down and then I lose my place. I also think it is pretentious but that is just a personal bias.
I am tolerant however and I expect you to put up with my griping if you use colors. If you use colors, I retain my right to gripe about it. I do not see how you can expect me not to. There are no rules against complaining about annoying fonts or colors. I checked.

Well there ARE rules about veering off-topic.
Just get back to the topic at hand:
OSAS

If you have** nothing left to say on the matter (which I gather, you do not), perhaps you should start another thread on whether or not we should allow graduates from non-accredited schools on the forums . . . **

 

[Rightlydivide]

Well there ARE rules about veering off-topic.
Just get back to the topic at hand:
OSAS

If you have** nothing left to say on the matter (which I gather, you do not**), perhaps you should start another thread on whether or not we should allow graduates from non-accredited schools on the forums . . .

I was interacting with what they said.

 

[FrJohnB]

Well, the federal government does, potential employers do, schools that require accreditation for transfer care as well, many state governments, so essentially it is very important.
I have discovered if I squint, it causes less problems for me. I also cannot read the reply because it has so many different boxes and lines. I have to scroll down and then I lose my place. I also think it is pretentious but that is just a personal bias.
I am tolerant however and I expect you to put up with my griping if you use colors. If you use colors, I retain my right to gripe about it. I do not see how you can expect me not to. There are no rules against complaining about annoying fonts or colors. I checked.

Funny I have known students who have ACI accredited diplomas that ARE accepted by major denominations (ie Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian) so I would hardly think of them as “diploma mills.” This hardly has any bearing however on the topic at hand of once saved always saved. You may say that you are responding to them, however, the way I read the post it was more of a rhetorical question than one that needs answering. It seems to have been said in a “where does this guy get what he is spouting off” kind of way. It has nothing to do with OSAS.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Funny I have known students who have ACI accredited diplomas that ARE accepted by major denominations (ie Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian) so I would hardly think of them as “diploma mills.” This hardly has any bearing however on the topic at hand of once saved always saved. You may say that you are responding to them, however, the way I read the post it was more of a rhetorical question than one that needs answering. It seems to have been said in a “where does this guy get what he is spouting off” kind of way. It has nothing to do with OSAS.

Define accepted. For what purpose? Ordination. I guarantee you no. United Methodists and Presbyterians (USA) do not even accept TRACS or DETC for the most part and they have national accreditation! ELCA does not either. I am not sure about Missouri Synod but I seriously doubt it.
Students at what school?

 

[FrJohnB]

Define accepted. For what purpose? Ordination. I guarantee you no. United Methodists and Presbyterians (USA) do not even accept TRACS or DETC for the most part and they have national accreditation! ELCA does not either. I am not sure about Missouri Synod but I seriously doubt it.
Students at what school?

YES ordination!!! The Methodist have a caveat in there Book of Discipline (I believe that is what it is called) that allows for acceptance of another faith’s ordination and education. Many small “Bible Colleges” are producing students that also go to Presbyterian churches.

 

[Rightlydivide]

YES ordination!!! The Methodist have a caveat in there Book of Discipline (I believe that is what it is called) that allows for acceptance of another faith’s ordination and education. Many small “Bible Colleges” are producing students that also go to Presbyterian churches.

No. Not from unaccredited schools they do not. They will not take someone from a diploma mill. It would never get past a them. Now maybe a few of the smaller Presbyterian denominations have denominationl schools that are not accredited but they would laugh a ACI school out of the room. We are talking about the people that approved the Three Stooges and animals for degrees!

 

[Padrej]

YES ordination!!! The Methodist have a caveat in there Book of Discipline (I believe that is what it is called) that allows for acceptance of another faith’s ordination and education. Many small “Bible Colleges” are producing students that also go to Presbyterian churches.

You are correct, it is called the Book of Discipline and there is that caveat in there. I personally know two pastors that were accepted that way for ordination. I also know of one that is a Wesleyan pastor that went to an ACI accredited school. I know of an ACI accredited person who also teaches at a Presbyterian seminary in Minnesota and pastors a Presbyterian church.
Don’t believe EVERYTHING you read about ACI schools. A great deal of Bible colleges go that route so as to avoid the hands of the government telling them you must teach a certain way. When a school is ACI accredited it must also follow the degree granting protocols within its particular state.

 

[Rightlydivide]

If they went to a real Bible school that was TRACS or AHBE approved. ACI is worse than being independent. It means no quality control. It has a horrible reputation. It would not get you a job in any accredited seminary or school. In fact, it would disqualify you. What accredited Presbyterian school would you be talking about? They go that route to claim an accreditation for people who have not looked it up and do not know that they are diploma mills. Please move this to my thread.
The government does not tell you how to teach. Heck Bob Jones is accredited now. Thats just an excuse for a school that wants to pretend to have real degrees and they do not.

 

[RevJoeBonner]

You are correct, it is called the Book of Discipline and there is that caveat in there. I personally know two pastors that were accepted that way for ordination. I also know of one that is a Wesleyan pastor that went to an ACI accredited school. I know of an ACI accredited person who also teaches at a Presbyterian seminary in Minnesota and pastors a Presbyterian church.
Don’t believe EVERYTHING you read about ACI schools. A great deal of Bible colleges go that route so as to avoid the hands of the government telling them you must teach a certain way. When a school is ACI accredited it must also follow the degree granting protocols within its particular state.

I also know some Baptist pastors who went to ACI schools. Some are what you could call “diploma mills” but the ones I have run into have been pretty on the level with the Eastern Baptist in Philly that I went to. I have also known some of these Bible colleges to accept the ACI education towards another degree.
But my question is What in the heck does this line of posts have to do with Once Saved Always saved???

 

[Rightlydivide]

I also know some Baptist pastors who went to ACI schools. Some are what you could call “diploma mills” but the ones I have run into have been pretty on the level with the Eastern Baptist in Philly that I went to. I have also known some of these Bible colleges to accept the ACI education towards another degree.
But my question is What in the heck does this line of posts have to do with Once Saved Always saved???

Hey I got all three again
Hello
Father JB
Rev JB
Bishop/Padre JB
you can come to my thread.
Yes some independent Baptists do probably have pastors from ACI schools. Baptists tend to be quite lax.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Hey I got all three again
Hello
Father JB
Rev JB
Bishop/Padre JB
you can come to my thread.
Yes some independent Baptists do probably have pastors from ACI schools. Baptists tend to be quite lax.

Hey, I thought we were friends…You left me out, just… plain ole, regular… JB… Jimmy B? Now, that makes 4 “JB’s”. Maybe I’ll start a “JB” thread…

 

[Rightlydivide]

Hey, I thought we were friends…You left me out, just… plain ole, regular… JB… Jimmy B? Now, that makes 4 “JB’s”. Maybe I’ll start a “JB” thread…

I already have one on theological training for all three to participate. I do not think you are related to these guys. You have no title.

 

[1beleevr]

Now, THERE’S an excercise in ignorance.
John 3:16 says that “…God so loved the world”. * This is a past-tense statement. Does he hate* us now??

John goes on to say, "…that he sent his only begotten son…"
If Jesus was "begotten (past-tense) - does that mean that he is NOT eternal??

Go back and really READ your Bible injstead of twisting the Scriptures to your own destruction (2 Pet 3:16).

Who was talking about John 3:16?But then, you are quite discombobulated at times! Your ignorance stems from posting statements, supplying supportng(???) scripture, and then having people finding out that the scriptures have nothing to do with what you posted For instance, you spoke of Christ’s eternal sacrifice before the Father on our behalf. Then you provide scripture, which does not support your position Hebrews 10:10-14,speaks of Jesus making ONE sacrifice for once and for all! And Acts 9:4-5, does not say that Jesus and the church are one; although we saints know that all of us who are in Christ Jesus are of His church! So, my misguided, often dluded friend, and Christian brother, perhaps you need to REALLY read your Bible before posting “suppositions”!

 

[Jimmy_B]

I already have one on theological training for all three to participate. I do not think you are related to these guys. You have no title.

“You have no title”

How about “Lay Catholic JB”? I’m sure if you tried, you guys could come up with some sort of title for me…

 

[Nicea325]

Who was talking about John 3:16?But then, you are quite discombobulated at times! Your ignorance stems from posting statements, supplying supportng(???) scripture, and then having people finding out that the scriptures have nothing to do with what you posted For instance, you spoke of Christ’s eternal sacrifice before the Father on our behalf. Then you provide scripture, which does not support your position Hebrews 10:10-14,speaks of Jesus making ONE sacrifice for once and for all! And Acts 9:4-5, does not say that Jesus and the church are one; although we saints know that all of us who are in Christ Jesus are of His church! So, my misguided, often dluded friend, and Christian brother, perhaps you need to REALLY read your Bible before posting “suppositions”!

Ignorance? And your interpretations are infallible and the correct one? So what man-made church do you attend?

 

[1beleevr]

Where have you been? I am the original in this matter. Not another…

If we were color phobic, wouldn’t we be afraid of his use of colors? elvisman needsto get a life!

 

[1beleevr]

Ignorance? And your interpretations are infallible and the correct one? So what man-made church do you attend?

Who said my interpretations were infallible? I was clowning elvisman about his posts not being supported by the scriptures he used! I attend The Way Fellowship by the way(hey, isnt that what the early church was called, The Way?)

 

[Springkeeper]

Textus Receptus - Meaning “Received Text” (1453 AD). This arose through an opportunity to study the Greek manuscripts instead of the Latin Vulgate. The “Textus Receptus” or Received Text was the standard Greek text in the sixteenth century after the invention of the printing press. It was the first published Greek text of the New Testament and for many years was the standard Greek text. This Greek New Testament has been edited on the basis of the latest evidence and in some cases corrected to fit the Latin text. The Textus Receptus has many editions, compiled by different groups using different sources, and in some cases were merely translations of the Latin Vulgate to the Greek. Some of the most important versions of the Textus Receptus are:

1. Complutensian Polyglot, published in 1520
2. Erasmus’s first edition published in February 1516 with many errors.
3. Erasmus’s third edition of 1522 - with a deliberate addition in 1 John 5:7-8.
4. 1550, the third edition of Robert Stephanus (Estienne) became one of the two standard texts of the Textus Receptus. His edition included variants of over a dozen manuscripts – including Manuscripts D and L - Codices Bezae (D) and Regius (L).
5. 1624, the Elzevir text became the primary text but it was basically a copy of Stephanus’ work.

So not all of the editions of the Textus Receptus are identical. Some are based on different manuscripts, some parts are translations of the Latin. Some are copies of earlier poor translations.
In contrast:
Septuagint. The Greek Old Testament came to be the Bible of the early Christian Church. It was commissioned by the Greek emperor Ptolemy II to serve the Jewish people under Greek domination who were no longer familiar with the Hebrew. The name Septuagint was derived from the Latin word “septuaginta” which means seventy. It is sometimes referred to by the abbreviation LXX, the Latin equivalent for 70. Legend states that this number refers to the number of translators used.
You could say that the LXX is the “received text” or “Textus Receptus” of the OLD Testament where as the first is of the NEW Testament.

The 1611 KJV: In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from the Textus Receptus (Received Text) series of the Greek texts. The Old Testament was translated from the Masoretic Hebrew text, while the Apocrypha were translated from the Greek Septuagint (LXX), except for 2 Esdras, which was translated from the Latin Vulgate.

The NEW King James version takes into consideration the Greek texts and others say like the Dead Sea Scrolls that were not available to the 1611 KJV translators. This is why I prefer this version as to the OLD King James. Also if you study Greek, you will find that there are over 300 errors in the KJV that the New King James tries to correct.

Thanks. Do you know why Fundamental Baptists consider it to be the only true Bible? I have to translate our assigned verses for my young teen Sunday school class every week- they just can’t understand a lot of the language. I even commit the sin of (big gasp) listing other translations under the KJV so they know what the verse(s) are saying.